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Posted by: Ham
« on: February 16, 2026 »

All that and I didn't touch on what set this off - the obvious impact of using an internet linked device - the ability to look stuff up directly, like word definitions.

Fact is, I use that vary rarely. Mostly the only time I don't know the definition of a word is when the author has swallowed a thesaurus, and the obscure word has no authenticity in the context and is just being used for effect. Robertson Davies is different, the words feel comfortable in their place, and you feel enriched knowing the exact meaning. Doesn't often happen.
Posted by: Ham
« on: February 15, 2026 »

Books do furnish a room, don’t they? How much you associate with them is, I think a question of upbringing. Without question, more die of heartbreak than would if they were reading myself and others, vile bodies though they may be.

This is the point I stop trying to reply with book titles, Quixotic challenge though it may be (you probably didn’t notice – even if it were legible – that the bike with the Christmas tree which has amongst other duties transported me around Spain, has its name on the top bar in gloriously cursive script: Rocinante. Few names are ever that perfect.).

Anyways up, before discussing the difference between e-reader and dead tree, I think you need to establish your relationship with books, as that makes all the difference.

I confess, I used to be a book addict, “Voracious reader” doesn’t quite cut it. By 7 I was master of my library ticket, and the children’s library, often 4 books a day. Fairy stories, mythology, Enid Blyton, Regimal Crompton, WE Johns, Arthur Ransome, Anthony Buckeridge – if I didn’t have them at home I knew where to find them. By 9 I was reserving titles I wanted. As an aside, I’d heard of this author called Poe, couldn’t find them in the children’s library so reserved it. I later found out the librarian walked down the road to my dad (who had a local shoe shop) to ask if I could be given the book, and the bastard said “yes”. Those nightmares I had from it were formative in my views about ensuring age appropriate material.

Fast forward twenty years, and predictably my two bedroom flat had one bedroom as library, probably 120m+ of shelving. After all, nothing succeeds like excess. Move forward a few more years and those shelves moved with me into the home I made with Mrs Ham. And, stayed there on the shelves. Somehow, life had changed and crucially, the first Kindle had arrived (other eReaders exist but I sold my soul some time ago, so had nothing left to trade). Any fiction I wanted, I wanted on the kindle for convenience. I found myself turning to the other stuff – earnest literary works, poetry, car reference less and less often. Those double rows of books never got touched.

About ten years ago, I did the unthinkable – I cleared the shelves of most of my collection, retaining only a few categories that still runs to about 15-20m of shelving. Thus far I’ve had no cause to regret that, but boy was it a wrench. I’ve never been all that good at willpower, but this is an example of my superpower – wontpower. When motivated I can JFDI rather well, like when I gave up my smoking habit overnight (80/day) almost 40 years ago.

I am very happy reading almost any fiction on the Kindle. The first and most obvious difference is the tactile and visual of the physical volume. You can develop a relationship with a book that is impossible on a Kindle. Putting your hand on a favourite volume is an experience like the memories evoked by a scent. Some might have an inscription in, some might have been with you at special times. For example I have a couple of Ray Bradbury short story paperbacks (Long After Midnight and The October Country seeing as how you asked) that accompanied me (one or both) during my teen backpacking one-man-and-his-dog wild camping days, picking up those takes me straight back to a wet tent with a wet dog.

The moment you go down the Kindle path, you lose all that, swapped for the convenience of having an entire library with you at all time. Nostalgia for function – seems to me to be a fair swap.

You also have a unification of typeface. Great for quality of reading, but loses the author's intention - where that exists.

You also lose association with the author and title that you get from a book, the cover with title and author. The Kindle does show that when its off, but as I have a cover that switches on automatically when you open it, I rarely see that, certainly not in the way you do when you have a book lying around.

The next huge difference is in the ability for random access (meaning as in RAM, access any point in the volume directly and not sequentially). Flicking through pages looking for familiar shape or phrase is impossible, moving between places on an eReader is tedious and fraught. Some fiction has you wanting to flip pages back and forward, again impossible as conveniently on eReader, but it can be done.


When you combine that with the final substantial difference, pictures and illustrations are shite on an eReader they become useless for reference works, or anything that needs images.

Something lost, something gained, as ever.
Posted by: Detectorist
« on: February 14, 2026 »

Quote from: Ham
talk about how different the Kindle experience is from the dead tree version

We're all ears.

Posted by: Ham
« on: February 13, 2026 »

Hmmm, there's a thing.

It appears that as you turn into an old fart, without going to work and with a day circumscribed by stuff (childcare, projects, other stuff) random interesting stuff like  what the Internet is full of tends to fall into short supply.

From things I have learned recently I could.....

....tell you how to solder SMD devices successfully (use a piece of ceramic tile and tape it down)

....tell you that reading the Cornish Trilogy on  a Kindle is interesting because you can look up the words you don't know (yes, I was prompted to buy it following that ^^^^) (I hate authors that use unnecessary vocabulary to show off, Davidson is not like that, and while you can infer meaning it is always good to know)

.... talk about how different the Kindle experience is from the dead tree version (There are not many fiction volumes that show up the prime failing of the Kindle, in Random Access)

.... talk about how to improve a portrait drawing (find the bit that doesn't look right, use that rubber. Keep going with the shading)

et c.

But all of those have limited interest for sharing in nugget form.
Posted by: Detectorist
« on: February 11, 2026 »

Quote from: the internet
The book is named for the historical Bonfire of the Vanities, which took place in 1497 in Florence, Italy, when the city was under the influence of the Dominican friar Girolamo Savonarola, whose followers burned objects considered sinful or morally corrupt—such as cosmetics, mirrors, luxury items, certain books, and artworks.

For my 'learn something new every day' file, that happened on Mardi Gras.


What's the last thing you've learned that you'd like to share?
Posted by: Ham
« on: February 07, 2026 »

Dancing. Ok, let's see.


Dancing

Me


Nope. No way those two words go together anywhere on this God forsaken earth.

What did we talk about? Apart from the goulash? Work of course. Which in our case was things like, how much should a satellite transponder cost? (That's the bit that receives the signal from earth and beams it down the dishes on earth). How can we survive until at least ten satellite dishes have been sold? Even better, 100,000. Will anyone notice if we disappear? (Ans: no). We were the vanguard of satellite tv in this country and I was one of the Grand Old Men of the business with a minor reputation for accurate forecasting. Gained by the incredibly scientific method of taking the lowest growth estimate and dividing by two, in an industry where most were using numbers ten times higher, because that's what the research said.

At least I learned how to pronounce 5 puttonyos properly.

I have to say, (I don't, but I will anyway) if you think you've seen expense account entertaining without having experienced 80s TV,  you probably haven't read Bonfire of the Vanities. Chateau Yqem, anyone? Ah, it was fun. Unreal, but fun.
Posted by: finestre
« on: February 07, 2026 »

(If I may interject, as you've given me the opportunity, I am also a former Gay Hussar. I used to entertain, in the expense account way, a bunch of surgeons as my boss at the time 'found them to be terrible bores' and apparently I needed 'feeding up.' She firmly believed academia resulted in 'a sort of mental and physical anaemia' and was the first real upper-class person I ever met. I was under strict instructions to run up the biggest bill possible. Which worried me at first, but apparently it all went back to the Royal College and she was singularly dedicated to giving their accountant an aneurysm.)
Posted by: Detectorist
« on: February 07, 2026 »

And was there any dancing?


Wikipedia tells me you rubbed shoulders with the ghosts of T.S. Eliot, Aneurin Bevan, Michael Foot and Barbara Castle.

I see the space was taken over by Noble Rot.
Posted by: Detectorist
« on: February 07, 2026 »

What sort of things did you discuss?
Posted by: Ham
« on: February 07, 2026 »

I should add a small claim to fame, that around those years I started a small group of finance heads of meeja companies, and we met in the upstairs room at The Gay Hussar, a glorious location with a huge round table that was built in place, and legendary links to politicos.  The group of Tory wets who did for her allegedly met in the same location.

Our agenda was to make the very most that could be done with an 80's media company expense account.
Posted by: Ham
« on: February 07, 2026 »

Ahhh Thatcher.

What a polarising name. I have no problem declaring my politics are left leaning, not really aligned with any partry, and that I m unhappy with many of the policies enacted under Tory governments, but not exclusively Tory ones. I also don’t see Thatcher as the demon so many do.

“She broke the unions”. Arguably at the time they really needed breaking. Print, car, coal – it would take a very blinkered view of anyone living at the time to say that those institutions were being run ultimately for the benefit of their members, as their leadership took them down paths of immediate gain vs inevitable change.

And ultimately around any leadership, of political party, union or any other group, look around the figurehead an you will find the true enablers, venal to a person.

During the time of Thatcher I was mixing it with what might arguably be called the movers and shakers, those in the shadows who sit on think tanks, the house of lords and the like, and it was they who I found intensely unpleasant to a man (yes they were all men).

So, Thatcher? While I don’t much like what her era represents, I don’t confuse her with the issues, however unpleasant they were. I have a grudging respect for her, her personal success against the odds of being female, her principled outlook – something apparently entirely absent across the board these days.  I find those who celebrated her death in a personal manner – “I’ll dance on her grave” – as morally suspect as the worst of her enablers.
Posted by: Detectorist
« on: February 06, 2026 »

I’ll take a punt here that you didn’t even realise that – for example – google has/has had (not all still supported) this many search operators

That would be a safe bet.

Scenario #3. TCP/IP fails for whatever reason. The end of civilisation as we know it.

I have only a vague idea what TCP/IP means (This Computer Program/Is Phenomenal?) Obviously I could Ask Jeeves Google it, and might, but meanwhile I'm headed out in the rain with my bike for some museum hopping in London.


It's customary to arrive at a question at some point, so here it is, without any judgement intended whatever your politics – I'm just remembering the memes at the time: What did you make of Margaret Thatcher?