Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.Gender again. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-620#post-82319)
AndyRM: The only people I've ever encountered who have a problem with the term "cisgender" is uh, people who are cisgender. Not a term I care for, or use, but it's funny watching people like you get their panties in a bunch about it. Along with everything else which doesn't fit your Hetty Spaghetti view of the world.
AuroraSaab: It makes women a subset of their own sex. They aren't. Quite rightly, nobody would accept the idea of cisblack and transblack people.
Newfhouse: Tall women and short women are two subsets of women. Sometimes it is useful to be descriptive and sometimes it doesn’t matter.
Monkers: Oh is this another of your immutable binaries? There are black people and non-black people? Or is it that black people are a subset of the human species where whites are dominant because you say so. Another fail.
Quote from: icowdenLady: a polite or formal way of referring to a woman.
Mostly condescending rather than polite.
Dead people tend not to mind what people say about them.
Why is it that you never bother to read, but start bashing the keyboard like a drunken crazed chimp?
And so the craziness of the bigots here goes on ... ad nauseum. (https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/149069/how-to-rebutt-word-vomit/2dd20c35-cdc1-4d23-8c49-73c1c44ee9b7)
If you tell me you have a faith, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-625#post-82423) I'll respect it, up until the point that you say that your faith means that you can impose your beliefs such as the eradication of the rights of others - then I'll likely be annoyed and possibly rude (which is a legitimate way of challenging absolutists since resolution by discussion is pretty impossible).
The Israel/Palestine could not illustrate the point more - people on both sides of the argument are vocal in wishing the eradication of the other, and the signs are they are intent on it, precisely because of their absolutism and refusal to accommodate the other.
If a trans child states their pronouns are she/her then the there is a duty on the teacher to conform. They are not losing their faith as a result; there is no need to vent their objection due to their faith, it is unnecessary yet damaging.
Vygotsky made some useful points about the role of language in thinking
WTAF? (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-624#post-82396)
But we should also not be trying to impress modern moral viewpoints on history. It's a bit like saying everyone in the 18th century was racist if they had a slave.
Who* have I insulted?
Quote from: monkers+There are practical ways to accommodate ["trans kids" in wrong sex changing rooms] without recourse to bigotry. (https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3654123-Im-not-sure-Im-not-a-bigot?page=5&reply=89024215)*
That sentence really ought to be the start and end of this thread.
do kindly remember (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/f-ck-the-tories-a-thread-dedicated-to-suella-braverman.253/page-49#post-82646) my background
When my OH announced to her then academic research Chemistry colleagues she was going to train as a Secondary School teacher the response of one of them, an American, was "Ahh Liz, the walking gonads".
As you certainly know, most of the girls hit puberty before [year 9], but many of the boys you knew at the end of year 8 are suddenly hairy, with lower voices and reeking of testosterone.
Rosie Duffield is this century's Kate Hoey
all part of your intention to whip up moral panic. (https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4792038-you-dont-care-about-children-moral-panic?reply=125686605)
once you have agreed that some male people should be able to use women's spaces, you have made your peace with the fact that many vulnerable women must accept having no access at all to the women's space or any space, so that males can have more comfort, choice and understanding of their complex situation.
It is a sex based, binary decision rooted in male supremacism. You believe that male people's needs and complexities matter - and that women's don't. And that it's ok to take everything from some women so that some men can have more.
It's morally indefensible.
New shoes prompted a shop at stonewall for new laces. Went with a mix of rainbow, trans and non binary. New shoes are rainbow right, trans flag left (because I use power grips on my right pedal and they would foul the whiter laces).
#1 son (14) asked about them, so I talked about his godmothers and showing support and explained a bit about the "T" in LGBTQ+. He said something along the lines of "I support them and all if that's what they want to do, but I don't really get it", which is the right default point to start from.
That is brilliant!
In less than two decades ‘transgender’ has gone from a term representing individuals and little used outside of specialist communities, to signifying a powerful political ideology driving significant social change. At the level of the individual, this shift has occurred through the separation of gender from sex, before bringing biology back in via a brain-based sense of ‘gender-identity’. This return to biology allows for the formation of a distinct identity group, one that can stake a claim to being persecuted, and depends upon continual validation and confirmation from an external audience. All critical discussion is a threat to this public validation and it is often effectively curtailed.
That transgenderism has moved from niche to mainstream tells us more about the rest of society than it does about transgender individuals. People in positions of power within the realms of media, education, academia, police, social work, medicine, law, and local and national government have been prepared to coalesce behind the demands of a tiny transgender community. Previously authoritative institutions now lack confidence in their own ability to lead and look to the transgender community as a victimised group that can act as a source of moral authority. However, this, in turn, erodes sex-based rights and undermines child protection.
The expansion of transgender rights has gone hand in hand with an expansion of state and institutional (both public and private) regulation of speech and behaviour. This highlights a significant difference between today’s transgender activists and the gay rights movement of a previous era. Whereas the gay rights movement was about demanding more freedom from the state for people to determine their sex lives unconstrained by the law, the transgender movement demands the opposite: it calls for recognition and protection from the state in the form of intervention to regulate the behaviour of those outside of the identity group.
I differentiate much the same way, but with an extra twist in that I speak of intellectual understanding as separate from 'empathy', in a loose sense.
I am female. Always understood that, always knew it. I can't define what that means, because identity is a personal internal feeling for everyone, in their own individual experience of it.
I intellectually understand non-binary ID, but as I am not of that type, I don't grok it. I have no experiential link.
I don't get men either,
even though I had to learn how to play one, often through severely violent 'lessons'. Just like non-binary folk; I watch things like male dominance contests, and just go "Why? What's the point?"
That said, I wish them as groups no harm. Equality/equity etc. "I don't really get it but..."
Why not just say (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/f-ck-the-tories-a-thread-dedicated-to-suella-braverman.253/page-49#post-82691) why you don't like trans women and to a lesser extent, trans men?
Any chance we could refrain from feeding CXRAndy's obsession with The Transes in at least one thread?
It's bordering on the obsessive to be honest.
Oh do stop inventing more stuff...
You try hard to make much out of nothing.
I have a sex identity, a gender identity, and yet another for sexuality. I'm a female, a gay woman. You haven't figured out who you are; that's not everyone else's problem.
being a lesbian that doesn't have genitalia preference (https://archive.ph/P6yDX#selection-9735.0-9735.465)
If they want to say we aren’t lesbians or invalidate trans identities then they need their own term, because I’m tired of them being in our community and making it unsafe. They can’t have lesbian because lesbianism has always included trans women regardless of genitalia. We fought for this community, we died for it, we own lesbian as much as cis women do. I refuse to cede it to anyone consumed by hate. They can have their own little community of hateful people.
Quote from: AuroraSaabThanks (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-627#post-82680) for the heads up on Prof Jenny Gamble.
You're welcome.Quote from: monkers+Jenny Gamble ...Gender identity is important.Stereotypes are important (https://archive.ph/5CS4N#selection-2399.1-2399.322)
Quote from: AuroraSaabHow can (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-631#post-82843) [gender identity] be innate in some nationalities but not in others? You're either born with a gender identity (that may or may not match your sex, you've claimed), or you're not. Spoiler alert: you're not, nobody is.
Spoiler alert; you don't know what you are talking about because you are a self-centred bigot who doesn't give a flying fark about the harm they cause to others.
We are all entitled to our own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
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Update: Nearly rid of him... yadda yadda...shouting through people's letter boxes... yadda yadda yadda...resident forum vermin like Rusty and Fozy...
The creatures outside looked from bronco to tool, from tool to bronco, and from bronco to tool again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
I hunt alone. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/cardiff-electric-bike-incident.495/page-47#post-72581)*
Quote from: icowdenBut, I also don't think that the conversation should be suppressed or that concerns should be swept under the carpet.
The conversation isn't being suppressed, except when it is, which all non-ridiculous people like me agree is necessary. This isn't damaging to free speech (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-642#post-83111) at all when when you think about it, as your "concerns" are clearly in air quotes and not deserving of airing in the grand scheme of things.
The conversation isn't being suppressed. What is being suppressed are ridiculous arguments that are highly damaging to a minority group, and those "concerns" are hypothetical in the grand scheme of things.
If brains were actually gunpowder (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-230#post-59074) you'd even fail to manage to blow your own hat off.
If brains were gunpowder, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-660#post-83633) you'd not manage to blow your hat off.
Do you mean "Why did the war start?" (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-634#post-82912)
CXRAndy: Yeah.
Poster 1: The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire-building.
Poster 2: The British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front.
Poster 1: Oh, no, sir, absolutely not. [aside, to CXRAndy] Mad as a bicycle!
CXRAndy: I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.
Poster 2: I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot.
CXRAndy: Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved
AuroraSaab to monkers: I'm not inclined to answer the every whim of someone like you. Nobody owes you anything, I'm afraid, especially when it's someone as relentlessly rude to other posters as you are.
Bromptonaut: That's nonsense. Monkers speaks her mind and if people want to clutch their pearls
Quote from: monkers to ASI've had enough of you insulting my family. When I said 'fark off' that wasn't a heat of the moment thing. I think your heart is cold - just like a fascist.
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Anything else, Google?
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That gives me an idea…
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Yeah, I got the clutching part wrong - too literal. And I appear to have some razor burn.
and petticoats then it might seem over direct. Somebody here, @CXRAndy, is just in it to play games. If we were moderated they'd have been seen off months ago.
CXRAndy: The arguments go round and round and round. I told you I would take the piss, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-172#post-56334) because it's comical arguing
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I suffer (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-661#post-83765) from rather chronic tinnitus, have done for about 40 years, it can be quite debilitating.
Note to Aurora. I know that you willfully will not understand, so please spare the screen ink, I'm no longer interested in anything you have to say.
Quote from: multitoolAre your on stage attempts at comedy are better that what you post here?
You're the expert in everything, apparently, so I'll let you be the judge when I post the video.
I'm non binary
I know you don't understand what that means or how it works, and you've made it abundantly clear that you don't want to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion about anything which challenges your views so I'll not bother explaining.
I'm not a guy, despite how I look. There are days when I feel like one, but there are also days when I feel very feminine, so I dress and behave according to how I feel.
my (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/non-binary-what-do-you-understand-it-to-mean.86/page-6#post-5456) most aggressive gig happened when I was in a feminine frame of mind, broke my drums that night.
I have "male parts", I'm 6"1', have a beard and I'm covered in tattoos and scars. And a penis.
I don't think anyone claims to be trans lightly, and I don't believe they're guided down that path without the circumstances being fully acknowledged or explored.
the real winners of yesterday’s historic ruling were not the UK Government, but the women of Scotland who would not wheesht, no matter how often they were told to shut up.
What concerns me (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-668#post-84083) more about this ruling is that a Government of another country, not voted by anyone in Scotland, run by a party that no-one in Scotland has voted for since the 1950s, can block laws put through, debated and passed by a democratically elected Scottish Parliament.
Colonialism in its purest form.
What is it about the manufactured panic (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-669#post-84094) that appeals to the sort of men that pretend to be saviours?
You're up early, Andy. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-536#post-73527)
What happened?
Shît the bed?
You're up early. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-669#post-84086)
Shît the bed?
The truth is that [lesbians (https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=VmiClpilF4NU5jxM&t=10&v=TMIvcYNo2Zo&feature=youtu.be)] are in the main trans positive, encourage trans women to say they are women, and really aren't so precious about the word 'lesbian' that we feel that we have ownership - it already means any inhabitant of the island of Lesbos.
only (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-672#post-84150) 6% of lesbians have negative feelings about trans people - which seems like a good fit with my experience of the past 50 years.
you (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-678#post-84319) are looking for fresh avenues of personal attack
you're (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-664#post-83856) usually onto any post in this thread like a rat up a drainpipe.
The ugly truth (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-672#post-84178) about you, and people of your mentality, is that if you'd have been around in 1930s Germany you would have been out last night smashing windows of jewish-owned businesses because you lapped up the hate-mongering propaganda about that minority group too.
Now if only (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-677#post-84302) you could accept a trans woman or trans man for what they are. Not what you feel they should be like.
Quote from: albionAlternate facts is not free speech. It is fraud.
if you don't do your own research who is to blame
Fab Foodie continues to be afflicted by Trailing Off Ellipses Disease, thought to be incurable.
I’m going to slightly go against the grain here and point out that most of us didn’t peak in a day. If you comb back years and years to my very first post on Ovarit, I got it off my chest that I had some doubt about the whole trans thing while still having this idea in my head that “true trans” was a thing, and that there were appropriate diagnostic criteria that validated the identities of some trans ID people.
I’ve read many pieces by Suzanne Moore. I think the headline is a savvy way to invite the reader (who is on yahoo.com and probably not deep down the rabbit hole) to consider the absurdity of “real” vs “conman” when there is no meaningful difference between the two. It’s tempting to want to peak people with a lot of strong-arms and shock and outrage when you’ve seen the end of the path, but peaking is very uncomfortable and most people resist it at first because they’re worried that it makes them hateful (and PLENTY of handmaids and TRAs are eager to affirm this.) I’m extremely TERFy these days and when my husband asked me the other day, earnestly, if I think there is “room in the world for trans people” (vetting me for genocidal thoughts, I suppose), I shrugged and said, “sure, as much as there is for Christians, I guess, but I don’t want to be in either of their prayer or pronoun circles.” A couple of years ago that question would have cowed me into submission just to avoid falling into a trap.
Now I’ve had enough exposure to it that I know how to discuss it without sounding like I’m afraid of the Mad Tranner pumping gas under my bedroom door so he can come in, twirling his mustache, to assault me in the dead of night (which is, unfortunately, how it would sound to a normie who thinks that TIMs are just mixed-up supergays who live a life of outward ridicule and inner torture, and not mostly narcissistic angry men bent on controlling their opposition through fear.)
We know. Suzanne Moore knows. Bringing the water to a boil is a subtle skill and judging by the comments she’s doing a great job.
Good job this is a single-figure-posters bike forum (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-682#post-84539)
where all these fibs go unnoticed.
K Stock, actual woman, actual lesbian, does seem to rile you more than most.
I also am an actual woman and actual lesbian
Silliness that's all you've got isn't it.
I'm beginning to doubts of your identity and orientation
Now you both are undone, exposed and pathetic
You are exposed as a pair of frauds.
incidentally I've found out that Stock was removed from Medium for breaching their community standards.
moral panic
You're on ignore, Classic
As for blatant lie telling you're ahead of anyone else on this thread, in that respect. Youve tried deception, misrepresentation and simply outright lying.
[Is careful to use 'she' when referring to Barbie Khardashian (https://archive.is/CGXVp)]COMMUNITY NOTE: classic33 is an idiot. Fortunately this is not incurable.
I am unwell at the moment. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-683#post-84586) My niece is here to be with me. I've had enough of you idiots. Further replies are from her in my name.
Quote from: newfhouseThis is silly. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-683#post-84591)
Not as silly as this. Which is both silly and sinister. And definitely not posted by @monkers obviously.Quote from: 'niece' of monkersMr Cowden.
You have had sight of the original document received by my aunt. You have had sight of an image of a very similar document posted by AS, different only in the references to the dates. You have seen a reference made by JK Rowling on her Twitter account. Do you dispute these as material facts?
I understand that your professional work is along the lines of a patient data manager for the NHS? If this is so, then I should not be in the position of having to remind you that sovereign law prevents the publication of private data by those with a professional capacity. Also that doxxing is very bad form.
Please can you kindly explain the reason for your contributions that could be argued as incitement to commit an offence? I feel quite certain that your ultimate employer, the NHS, would be concerned to see you acting in this manner.
For any those who care for monkers here, I am letting you know that I am now very concerned for her health. I'm taking her to hospital.
My my all melting now
Prick.
[Long, detailed post (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-684#post-84603), followed by one which involved some digging]
This is getting really confusing,
Are we speaking to ghostly relatives whilst emergency Medical attention is being administered or was it a falsey alarm
My impression is that we have been speaking to @monkers niece and that @monkers is unwell. I don't think we need this discussion to continue for the time being. Discussion should be fun and stimulating and this is just getting concerning.
remember that this is only a discussion forum for bored cycling people.
Quote from: 'niece'I will update you with regards to Monica.
Please give her my best wishes for a swift recovery.
Thank you also to @AndyRM [aka little drummer boy (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/non-binary-what-do-you-understand-it-to-mean.86/page-6#post-5456) - Ed.] who I know has been in contact with Monica privately beforehand concerning her health.
Monica clearly unwell.
I beg your forgiveness for an indulgence...
confluence
I've been with Monica today. It's likely that she'll be home tomorrow afternoon. I think she'll be in a fit state to chat after a couple more days of rest.
This is my little story. It deserves no reply.
Thank you for sharing your story. It takes some courage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunning_and_Brave) [my link - Ed.] even to share it with a bunch of anonymous cyclists in a tiny offshoot forum.
OK you lot. I'm back. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-686#post-84732)
I see the thread took some unexpected turns.
…an overall immunity to bullshit... (https://jezebel.com/hey-were-back-1851088809)
unexpected turns.
Being as N has told you perhaps more than I would have done about us, I'll just say after some tests, I have one condition diagnostic opinion now mostly confirmed.
I have two other conditions suspected which require more appointments with more specialists.
Back into hospital in another two weeks. Happy days.
Unusual of N to talk about herself like that, I don't know what came over her. I'm under orders to rest, so laters. xx
Curtis (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67679884) has also called himself "unobservant" for including fat-shaming jokes that "aren't any longer funny", and said he had "let himself down" by cutting an LGBT storyline in the final edit.
If someone asks you to use a specific pronoun, just do it.
it's really not that difficult
Preferred pronouns aren't a right, but using them isn't difficult
or somehow impinging on anyone's. But, for me, if someone has asked you to use a specific pronoun, and you don't? That's not cool.
Pronouns on badges, email signatures etc even where everybody uses their 'normal'/birth pronouns is to normalise the practice. We're encouraged, but not instructed, to do it where I work
But don't make a point of insisting that everyone puts their pronouns on their badge when for 99% (or even 100%) it's completely pointless.
Quote from: BromptonautencouragedQuote from: icowdeninsisting
These words have different meanings.
It's not difficult and, as of now, nobody has to.
Maybe we should stop wasting time shaking hands when we meet others, but start displaying our genitals instead, or sniff them like farm animals?
Quote from: CXRAndy:biggrin: Eat shoots leaves
Take a book on punctuation and grammar, misquote it - in fact, misquote the title - then add a vacuous grinning smiley.
(cue drivel about Labour being indistinguishable from Tories)
Starmer's got this quote printed out and blu-tacked onto his office filing cabinet but has completely misinterpreted it.
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Of course we all know that there are people from the main CC forum poking their heads round the door every now and then, but somebody's really elevated lurking to an art form. I'm impressed, if a little uncomfortable. I feel like there's a mirror being held up to my own absurdity.
Is this going to descend into some ridiculous game where we have two forums each lurking and commenting about each other? I'm not sure that would work. I feel like the play is going to have to move into a new act now that everybody has been made aware of everybody else's presence.
Quote from: winjimYes, you'd know about trolling.
I don't think you remember what you post. Or, alternatively, are not able to maintain a thread of conversation.
Either way, it's getting tedious. Given that you never say anything that I find remotely thought-provoking, interesting or funny, and you manage to fail to do this with a smug air, I'm going to spare you from my trolling by popping you on ignore.
You certainly seem to be making about just you.
There is an inconsistency here.
Quote from: icowdenIf difference is good then why so much emphasis on fitting in and being the same?
It's not about being the same. It's about respecting the difference. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-689#post-84849)
What is the difference between a straight man and a gay man?
About three pints.
About three hours later - 'tell anyone and I'll kill yer.'
'It's only a one off' (that is until the next time).
RIP Brianna Ghey
transgender hate crime is unlikely to be curtailed whilst Kemmi Badenoch is the equalities minister.
Badenoch is a total melt.
Quote from: AuroraSaabPerhaps it would be useful if you registered under a new poster name then. Otherwise we might think it's just Monkers posting all the time.
It had been made clear. You might also detect some change of style…
I feel sure it must make sense to you, but I am unable to follow.
When one is calling for change(s) the burden of responsibility becomes your own to prove harms.
I agree.
Yep. I agree
Seems entirely fair
Again, seems fair comment
Again quite reasonable.
By the way, glad you are feeling a bit better now.
The way (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-692#post-85030) niece of monkers posts in a similar way, one could easily believe they're one and the same. Personality disorder?
As a growing child I had a love of writing.
My aunt and I would sit for hours and write alternate lines to a story.
I guess you could say this was formative.
Personally, I don't think anyone is actually trying to shut down the debate. I could be misinterpreting angles/posts, but obvious trollery aside I think it's fairly open and reasonable.
After 10,000+ posts has this thread actually persuaded any one to change their very entrenched views?
Very entrenched views are unlikely to be changed as a result of an internet forum discussion. It will be a success if it makes people with less entrenched views accept there may be a different angle to the topic.
The thread simply reads, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-693#post-85053) like all long threads, people with entrenched view dogmatically repeated those views and opposing anyone who does not agree
my opinions have probably changed the most about sport.
Quote from: dutchguylivingintheukCreative spin, no i did not say or wanted to say that. i say actually what i write.
I'm afraid (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-693#post-85098) your 'creative' use of language makes it difficult to discern your exact meaning.
Would you mind (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-45#post-49544) not putting words into my mouth, please.
Surprised (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-694#post-85125) to see an Israeli flag attached to a tweet like this.
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I'd add winjim, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-117#post-52277) but avoidance of the thread isn’t dishonourable.
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It’s probably just as well, unfortunately. He’s otherwise worth reading.
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Quote from: RecordAceFromNewDon't know why you bothered to tag me. It is easier to play the person than the ball, isn't it? Bravo @bobzmyunkle!
Unfortunately the length and tone of superiority of your posts mean I am much less likely to be bothered to read them in full.
My point? That taking part of a statement, decontextualising it, then misconstruing its intended purpose in order to ridicule it, is bad faith bullshìt. But its bad faith bullshít in which a small number of contributors wish to engage.
Quote from: CXRAndyMore Tavistock travesty
70 children under the age of five were sent their for treatment
Which sick parents would do that to their own children, let alone anyone else's child ?
N here Andy...
Quote from: AndyRMCalling people "hatebeards" or claud's approach... Hmm... Hard to know who's making better life choices...
quoting others to say you agree with them! Wow what an life choice, what an hero!
I can at least say my words are my either my own creation or my own chosing, that you don't agree with them is your problem
Quote from: RecordAceFromNewYou sure you aren't just a sore loser who took the wrong side of the argument?
Right and wrong? Black and white?
Good and evil?
Quote from: dutchguylivingintheuki'm not going to bother
That might be a popular option.
Park Run isn't about to start checking people's privates/birth sex or anything of that ilk. That wasn't the aim of the think tank paper (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-697#post-85385) though, was it. Their aim was to stir up the culture war. And to keep any (https://i.imgur.com/04zpVPX.png) [my formatting - Ed.] that might be introduced to the subject well suppressed.
I want everyone asked, (https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4972502-sharron-davies-in-the-times?reply=131786988) clearly, "Yes, it may be emotionally very desirable for this male person to have the experience of participating in a women's event as if they were seen as a woman. What does it say about society (and you personally) when women's resources and categories are seen as something appropriate to commandeer, for the reason of providing desired emotional experiences for men? Are women and their resources just a theme park for men to use?"
Fgs can we just admit to the male supremacy underpinning all this? That the worst issue is that men may be sad (and everyone look bad for upsetting them) if women's equality isn't undermined for them on demand and their self expression indulged without boundaries? That men's emotional experiences are the seen most primary concern for 'nice' and 'fair' people?
To be scrupulously fair (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-700#post-85463)
Parkrun's website (https://www.parkrun.org.uk/) quotes the best male and female times - about 90 seconds difference. Whether we need to check what the female has in her pants is a different question...
N again (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-700#post-85460)
So lovely to see so many people here and in other places arguing over my life.
If only trans women were permitted to speak.
Park Run is a charity with charitable objectives. Their vision is a healthy and happy planet; perhaps your own is not.
...shut yer trap... (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-700#post-85466)
theclaud: Happy Christmas.
Unkraut: Shouldn't it have been merry Christmas?
HMS_Dave: Well i had a HAPPY Christmas, so up yours…
Merry Christmas began as a saying in the 1500s. It was recorded in a letter as a wish that God would send the recipient a “mery Christmas”. It was solidified as a capitalized greeting by Charles Dickens in his great work A Christmas Carol.
Queen Elizabeth II, for whatever reason, did not use Dickens’ phrase. Instead, she used the phrase Happy Christmas in her broadcasts to her subjects. After her use, the term gained popularity and is still the most common form in Great Britain and Ireland.
Merry Christmas all !
Nice to see my daughter has her mother's wit with her choice of presents
Happy New Year to everyone (except Dutchie and that other twat).
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DzjdSDh.gif) (https://twitter.com/rigby113/status/1609484855527575552)
I often quote myself. (https://youtu.be/5s3PB44paCI) It adds spice to my conversation.
Where are we?
What are we missing?
Who should we include?
Discuss.
Discuss women's rights then.
Any rights men give them, obvs.
F*ck it, I'm starting a thread.
You go girl (wait for it...)
Full disclosure before I do so, I'm non-binary,
TMI
Quote from: multitoolThe point being is that the hard-right are trying to get people to make an association between trans women and sex offenders.
It's the drip-drip effect.
It only works on stupid people which is why AndyCXRSE has bought into it
The point being is that the hard-left are trying to get people to make an association between trans women and real women. They deny biological facts
It's the drip-drip effect
It only works on stupid people.
FTFY
Quote from: icowdenTo be fair, JK Rowling has issued an inclusive tweet for mothers day, which seems to have upset people. You just can't win!:-
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1766799493771469286?s=20
It's not inclusive. It's mocking.
We swim these murky waters for the fun (https://archive.ph/OTdek#selection-2133.36-2133.39) of it.
closing one's eyes and ears does not make a bad smell go away
There's quite a few people who no longer post. They've abandoned the whole Naca forum in the last year, not just this thread. There are others who didn't post much but who used to read and like posts. They aren't around anymore either.
Perhaps you should should refect on whether it's you who has made this whole forum a less pleasant place to be for so many of us
LOL (https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/laughing.gif)
[Proxy (https://archive.ph/lmurF#selection-3783.40-3783.70) for the women in his life, whose supposed opinion carries more weight than that of the woman in the conversation. Remind you of anyone? (https://www.notanothercyclingforum.net/index.php?topic=3893.msg17290#msg17290)]
Over and out
I'm out. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-799#post-90806)
So we shouldn't have any discussion (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-800#post-90825) in case trans people get victimised. Should we also shut down public discussions? Which discussions is it OK to have?
...There's a middle ground out there I believe, but getting there is the challenge. Slogans like "Punch a TERF" aren't meant to be taken any more literally than "Eat the rich" but have been hijacked to make trans activists look like violent nutters.(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/iCow.gif)
The place (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/has-adam-gone.593/page-6#post-90951) was always something of an echo chamber, but, even the variation (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/has-adam-gone.593/page-7#post-90983) of echo has diminished.
I did say I would take the piss long while back, because that's how I see the situation, it's comedic.
You've won, well done, we concede. You can stop now.
The fact is you know feck all about the topic. All you can do is cry some variation of Nazi Toilets! because your main interest in this topic is that it allows you to be misogynistic whilst pretending to be progressive.
And just like we've seen today with Wes Streeting for Labour and even Stonewall, once you see how the wind has changed you'll eventually do a reverse ferret
We interrupt this post for a reverse clown ferret - Ed.
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and say you were never in favour of puberty blockers, and no of course lesbians can't have penises, and of course women should be able to meet without being intimidated.
And you'll do it all whilst still imagining that you are intellectually and morally superior to the rest of us on here.
Actually (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-836#post-92395) I don't post on the "trans activist" side. I don't really know what it is because as I said I'm not at all invested in it.
[DO BETTER - Ed.] (https://archive.ph/Ub6mu#selection-2079.1-2079.10)
Quote from: multitoolQuote from: AuroraI reckon most people on here will find your claim of bullying a bit ironic
Does the "most people on here" include all the people who were here but left because of you, directly naming you?
It includes the farmers whose crops I blighted and the cows whose milk I turned sour.
I have also seen her attacked multiple times and people really being quite rude. In the interests of balance she has also been quite rude back.
N here. Monkers is resting.
I am being urged (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-842#post-92496) by N to be open about the state of my health and to do so in order to help others.
A few years ago I was sent a letter by my GP.
I forget the fine detail, but essentially I was invited to put a stool sample in a tube with a blue cap and send it off to a private company for testing. Well I didn't.
Later I complained to my GP about problems.
She said she would refer me for 'cameras up' and 'cameras down'.
Long story short, Covid came along and it never happened.
The problems worsened. Eventually, and after many tries I got a GP appointment, this time with a different GP.
Again I was referred for camera work and there was blood work. Bowel cancer was confirmed. I've had surgery, and I'm in a better place.
The blood work has revealed another problem. I have leukaemia. I've been waiting for a consultation for a while, but at the hospital they wanted to deal with the bowel cancer before investigating the leukaemia.
As a result I suffer from pretty acute fatigue some days and a growing weariness of idiots bleating on, telling lies and as N puts it, 'being deeply unpleasant as people'.
Anyway, if you have an invitation to poop in a tube, put it in an envelope and send if off - just do it.
"N here (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-841#post-92490)
When all else fails to disprove the truth, attempt to discredit the poster.
Judge not, lest ye (https://daily.jstor.org/nderstanding-a-misunderstood-bible-verse/) be judged.
Collectively, people with critical thinking skills are wasting their lives by continuing 'discussion' with gender critical people.
Quote from: CXRAndyAmazing (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-856#post-92783) what testosterone and anabolic steroids do.
Amazing what happens to a formerly male body when you take the testosterone away too. Add oestrogen and it is no longer the same shape.
Quote from: icowdendo you acknowledge that transwomen have an inherent unfair advantage against biological women? And if not, why are transmen doing so badly at sport?
It's not a yes or no question. It's obviously a complex question, not a simple one.
I actually disagree with Monkers (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-841#post-92489)
Quote from: AuroraSaab[It must be something she said] (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-846#post-92589)
There isn't any need for me to say any more. The record shows.
Can't we all (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-842#post-92513) just try being a bit nicer to each other instead?
I'm merely quoting (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-844#post-92543) some ancient Greek bloke.
Oh woe. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-861#post-92889) Won't somebody think of the children!!
Quote from: CXRAndy[It must be something (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-843#post-92530) he said] (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-860#post-92866)
If the definition of 'trendy fashion cult' is any group of people that have been increasing in number saying the same thing, then look no further than your own cultish (*checks own spelling) behaviour.
There are those of you pushing for trans erasure while in denial of their fascism.
If anyone is member material, it is me, by definition.
This 'administrator' can't even hold down a forum membership himself.
[Smiley genocide] don't you remember? Have you all got Covid brain?
He's not even a real vegetarian – he eats eggs. (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/egg-transgender)
He's just hungry for scraps of conversation with other than his tumbleweeds.
I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member anyway.
The first is the best, but they're all worth [checks sums] 7.24 of your time.
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The ultimate bunkerful of parodies (https://www.notanothercyclingforum.net/index.php?topic=2247.0)
卐 I bow to the master. (https://archive.ph/V1jwB#selection-1167.384-1167.483)Taking too bloody long to load?(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/economist.gif)
The Economist, (https://www.economist.com/culture/2024/04/25/whos-afraid-of-judith-butler-the-godmother-of-queer-theory) Who’s afraid of Judith Butler, the “godmother of queer theory”?[close]
Best. Thread. Ever.
As a teacher (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-880#post-93793) I was asked by smirking seven year olds, 'Are you a girl or a boy, Miss?', to which I replied, 'Neither.' but the real question is how to make this small ask irrelevant.
It is unfair to demand feminists embrace declared faith in inner gender difference but not expect trans-people to embrace that some people validly don't take it as axiomatic truth. As long as we are respectful it can be left undecided.
misgendering is not helpful or necessary
If and when (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-881#post-93816) [AuroraSaab] wants to talk about real issues that matter to women (rather than a confected threarlt whipped up by weirdo cultists and co-opted by populist politicians) I'll be here.Mini-MeQuote from: AndyRM[Doubles down on the other c-word, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-881#post-93830) because DARVO (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-717#post-87085) is their bread and butter][close]
I am so used to reading posts that are based on demonising people...
Schools (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-877#post-93659) frequently know better than some parents.
Somehow (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-881#post-93845) the kind of pish that Andy goes wild for cropped up on my social media earlier...
Copy of tweet: (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/naca-political-jokes-page.38/page-55#post-94305) "put a fried egg on my croque monsieur to make it a croque madame and now jk rowling is outside my house yelling"
All I'm getting (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-887#post-94043) from these recent interactions is that I can carry on being non binary and living by my own tenets, which involve not being a prick about others choices.
Join the temple.
Ave Satanus.
However (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-881#post-93833) anybody spins the gender identity thing it always comes down to sexist stereotypes in the end.
They make boxes, (https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/555193/how-is-it-that-they-don-t-know-basic-pop-culture/a1fd479a-c820-4fbe-a49d-408cfc42a268#comment-a1fd479a-c820-4fbe-a49d-408cfc42a268) then split those boxes into more and more boxes, and then they decide which box they like best (and decide they belong into the opressedest and queerest little box). They really don't realise how insanely rigid and conservative they are. It's genuinely sad, until I read about them claiming a woman with short hair and casual clothes is "appropriating NB culture" (that was cringey to type) then all my sympathy for them goes down the drain.
See also. (https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/542250/lady-gaga-calls-anti-mulvaney-posts-hatred-that-is-violence/1e74bd4b-9095-4ac3-ad19-397b74dbdd5c#comment-1e74bd4b-9095-4ac3-ad19-397b74dbdd5c)
What a life. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/local-elections-may-2024.620/page-8#post-93900) Spending your day following the Tool round trying to dry hump his leg.
Quote from: Mein Tool...members of his cult...
The last I checked, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/bye-bye-nhs.611/page-5#post-94120) I was not a member of any cult.
Quote from: AuroraSaabDespite hundreds of posts you've yet to coherently explain why we should treat some men differently to other men, other than they say so.
Trans women with [an official piece of paper] are women. You are not a woman (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-886#post-94032) since you deny your gender identity.
Quote from: ASI have no gender identity. It's a metaphysical belief to which I don't subscribe...
I bet you've, at some point, worn a skirt, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-886#post-94037) and I don't think it was your ovaries, tit's and fanny that compelled you to do it. It was your mind. It's not a physical event, it is a mental one based on identity.
["Right-wing" (https://tinyurl.com/4zceu8ez) ad nauseam]
Oh my word, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-887#post-94073) you really are an actual idiot fruitloops.
Belief (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-884#post-93973) is not the same as knowledge or fact.
N tells me (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-891#post-94456) by text that she may pop in here later to put straight the situation regarding statutory and non-statutory guidelines. I'm looking forward to seeing her
Quote from: AuroraSaab[Doesn’t really matter]
N here. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-892#post-94524)
Will you kindly clarify, who is the poster you intended this for?
Quote from: AuroraSaabN and M seem identical... Why don't you start separate accounts?
What has that to do with anything (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-893#post-94540) and why is it any business of yours how somebody operates their account?
I have to say (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-893#post-94567) that N's writing style is different and I have no issue with Monkers and N being two different people. She has explained this in detail and given us some of N's background.
Thank you (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-898#post-94685) for sharing your story.
Alas (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-898#post-94687) the weekend is over. N is briefly in London, and then on her way back home to Europe later today. She is not back here until the 7th, and then the three of us are straight off on holiday.
Most people don't even know their own sexQuote from: sane personReally? (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-895#post-94609)
Yup. What are your chromosomes? I presume mine are XX, but not having had them tested, I can't say for sure.
When I said 'fark off' (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-235#post-59479) that wasn't a heat of the moment thing. I think your heart is cold - just like a fascist.
I choose to be defined by my clothing.
Bye everyone! (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/over-and-out.642/) Signing out for good as I've spent much longer here than I intended, and I have other things I need to be doing.
Fare thee well. Haven't always seen eye to eye, but (most of) your input will be a loss to the forum.*"semen for Starmer" is catchier but yuckier
Jesus wept. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1048#post-103031)
In the old days it was simple. Sex is binary, gender is a social construct. Fill your boots however you feel gender wise. Now, after 15,000,000 pages of obfuscatory drivel from @monkers and her imaginary friends, @Ian H realises that gender isn't a binary relationship with sex.
Quote from: BromptonautFFS why (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1050#post-103094) would @monkers do that. Why can't we just take people at face value?
This. 100% this. Why would anyone bother with an alter on this little slice of the internet?
Listen dickhead (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1048#post-103070)I suppose the litany of insults spewed at Aurora is nearly invisible to the regulars at this point. To anyone still noticing, it looks desperately unhinged.
[video of 'gender surgeon' (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1051#post-103186)](https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/lovey.jpg) (https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4893510-naked-older-man-on-bike?page=3&reply=129114855)
Maybe you didn't hear (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1052#post-103202) him say that the vagina of a trans woman [sic] is sensate end to end, and that our's are not.
who are you, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1055#post-103305) other than a woman with a fetishistic obsession with other people's genitals?
Aurora thinks she's winning just because she has ground everybody down. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1051#post-103110)
You make every conversation so very farking tedious and manipulative. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1053#post-103277)
N here (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1055#post-103324)
Sorry I've filled the forum pages too much this evening; and so to bed.
Hi Sam! (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1051#post-103113) Hope the holiday is going ok. I'm not in touch with Sam but I could help him out with his forum game of Guess Who if I wasn't opposed to doxing.
I just won't be joining in with the pretending. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1051#post-103115)
you can't reason with crazy (https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5175172-why-do-all-trans-discussions-end-in-a-bun-fight?page=1&reply=138613546)
Oh fark off. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1057#post-103368) I'm generally very kind to everyone and known for it.
What can be alleged in respect of your actions is, in simplest terms, cyberbullying, and falls under the legal definition of harassment. From your own words, it is clear that you consider the harassment of trans women to be acceptable on the basis that you feel that you are entitled to do so as a cisgender woman. You couldn't be more wrong. This is clearly criminal intent and criminal behaviour.
Cyber bullies are easily spotted, when a victim complains about their behaviour, typically they reply with a meme, say a woman spraying her keyboard with tea because she is laughing so hard, or just replying 'Lol', indicating that they are admitting enjoying causing distress. It is an admission of guilt.
Cyberbullying on social media is at contagion level. Cyber bullies tend to think that either the state does not have the means to identify (invariably it does), however a consideration is interstate bullying. In the UK it is much more difficult to seek remedy against a bully in say the USA because international law to tackle the problem is not established. However you are from what you seem to say resident in the UK bullying on what I think is a UK based website. There are obligations on the site owner to protect people from bullying on the site. I believe the site owner is aware since they ask posters to hide behind avatars.
Will the police take action against you? I will say it is unlikely. First there needs to be a complaint made to UK police, and secondly because of the lack of resources (including court time) means that their interest will only be piqued by a higher level of harm. However a person taking their own life or self-harming following on-line interactions with you and citing your avatar would lead to an investigation into your behaviour with possible consequences.
The ability to hide from the authorities does not make the behaviour less criminal.
The point of your huge post is to try to stop people commenting on this thread. I doubt it is only meant for my ears.
It's the next step on from when you used to post 'My lawyer cousin is watching this thread'. In my opinion it's threatening both the site owner and posters. It's an attempt to intimidate because all else has failed.
The stark reality (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1058#post-103393) is that you have realised that your own behaviour is indeed criminal.
I'm not intimidated. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1058#post-103394) Hope that helps. The more you post the dafter you look. In my opinion, of course.
you do not merely (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1058#post-103401) attempt behaviour which could be found to be criminal in law, you succeed.
Please can you kindly (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-683#post-84589) explain the reason for your contributions that could be argued as incitement to commit an offence? I feel quite certain that your ultimate employer, the NHS, would be concerned to see you acting in this manner.
It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. When something's not right, it's wrong. (https://www.notanothercyclingforum.net/index.php?topic=8369.msg19151#msg19151)
Too much paranoia and stupidity.
Quote from: winjimI'm glad I'm not American right now. I don't think I could bring myself to vote for either main candidate. How could I bring myself to vote for someone who's doing... that? (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/israel-palestine.556/page-244#post-104309)
Don't blame the electorate for being stupid, blame the candidates for not being better.
PZ Myers discusses this dilemma in his blog
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2024/10/24/my-political-dilemma/
Funny, i remember some gammons saying...
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It must be lonely up in your ivory tower. I can't imagine watching us idiots grubbing around on this forum provides a distraction for more than a few minutes.
Would you say (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/riot.644/page-35#post-104560) you find much of this forum... confusing?
Jeez; this new intake is a bit of a disappointment.
Sorry (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/boom-rachael-reeves.666/page-4#post-104576) I don't know you from Adam and satire doesn't come across well in a forum, Maybe try a simile to convey.
All sources should be subject to “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.
Blimey, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/a-fine-that-will-teach-the-offender-a-lesson.667/#post-104532) this is like having royalty post on Cyclechat! :notworthy:
You've no idea how much this enthused my partner sitting here, there being a loud whooosh as something about the 8080 having 22 card slots or something or other was going over my head. She's smart but I still have to maintain her bike.
Kamala is for they/them. (https://youtu.be/VVU7pYq3WHw)
Trump is for you. (https://youtu.be/lhnHt1NB0M0)
Let's not pretend that the USA is this shining beacon of democracy somehow tainted by one man. It's a ruthless Imperial power which we have allowed to become too strong and influential because it suited us well in the latter half of the 20th century. The current state of affairs should come as a surprise to nobody.
democracy (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/usa-midterms.404/page-145#post-104786) means learning to accept that others may have different views to yours
presumably (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/usa-midterms.404/page-145#post-104801) you have no issue with the outcome of the 1933 German "democratic" election that brought Hitler to power...?
Trump is a freak. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/usa-midterms.404/page-145#post-104808)
Quote from: The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/07/4b-movement-trump-women
‘No man will touch me until I have my rights back’: why is the 4B movement going viral after Trump’s win?
How many men are going to start calling for a rerun of the election? If 4B are embraced by women, how long is it going to take?
Aren't women right to be concerned about their reproductive rights as women, especially with Trump in the Whitehouse? Trump voters have effectively decided that women should not have the rights pertaining to their own bodies, and some of those voters are in fact women.
The republicans provided a bigger tent for women: more varied viewpoints on abortion and trans can be expressed and tolerated
But the Dems viewed women as a monolithic vote on unrestricted abortion and TWAW. Any dissent is fascism.
What is wrong with Americans, could someone please explain this to me because I’m at a loss.
How does this relate to cycle commuting?
Personally I don't measure my success by comparison with what wealthy people have, I measure it with what little homeless people have, and I try to do my bit to help them. Apparently I'm just sadly woke and delusional.
Quote from: icowden... it's a no brainer to fly. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/climate-crisis-are-we-doing-enough.17/page-129#post-105342)
Word.
The burning question is, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/climate-crisis-are-we-doing-enough.17/page-127#post-105278) will Spen care? [about human testicles becoming chock full of micro plastics]
I think he only has opinions on things that directly affect him. (I have of course assumed he identifies as he/him. Forgive me if I've assumed wrongly).
I would assume the same, but whenever a person tells me that they identify differently, I just accommodate them, it costs me nothing.
I posted a thread on the other place regarding that charity ride by two Scots from Glasgow to Bethlehem, raising money for Medical Aid for Palestine...
It’s been locked and no explanation given. Cowardly fückers.
Not a healthy situation (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/Ārseholes.678/#post-105404) when a word or phrase can be used to close down healthy discussion.
what possible purpose would indulging you serve?