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Cycling + => Free For All => Across The Road => Topic started by: sam on May 21, 2024
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(This is yet another thread devoted to CycleChat's politics forum. It used to be tucked away in a board called 'Hell', itself a child board inside 'No Exit' thanks to my infernal whimsy.
I'm only mentioning it because you'll see a few references which won't make sense otherwise.)
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-899#post-94739
So a couple of criticisms of the judge's understanding of Kafka and a feeble attempt to divert the thread back to being limited to policing toilets.
An interesting (lack of) response.
My thoughts exactly, though I would've added something about Mein Tool's ongoing Tourette's, and expanded on Mini-Me's complete lack of credibility as an expert witness on Kafka. The response by moNkers is the usual nonsense. The disdain for women and/or anyone outside their tribe of narcissists drips from almost every post. What's happened at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre is horrific and a very bad look for genderists; it's no wonder they want to minimise it and move on.
PS. https://thecritic.co.uk/gender-and-josef-k/
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/starmers-vision-quest.32/page-368#post-94873
Right. Time to switch off the internet for the next six weeks or so.
Then back on again? I don't think that'll fix NACA.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/normal-island.187/page-78#post-94910
if you hang out with people who have a hobby of dressing up as Nazis, you will soon find out that it's not just dressing up for a significant proportion of them.
It's been 0 days since Nazis came up.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-899#post-94956
Nazi-pinup, Kellie Minshull, demonstrating just how hate-filled she really is.
https://x.com/LGBwiththeT/status/1793346401897779511
Still masturbating furiously to videos of his favourite frau.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-10#post-94993
What's a lexicon?
It's an idiot's idiolect, I believe.
If politicians treat us like idiots, they have etymology on their side.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-14#post-95069
But there is no way my 77 year old parents are stupid enough to vote their grandkids into national service. So who would vote for this?
Wait until the service involves fixing potholes.
Send the chain gang to my postcode please.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-17#post-95124
I'd rather our politicians based their opinions on actual facts
Agreed. Stella says a woman can have a penis. Getting actual facts of life wrong remains a dealbreaker for some of us.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-18#post-95137
I can't stop watching this. What makes it funnier is that it's Nazir Afzal posting it:
https://x.com/nazirafzal/status/1794845545099677987
It's been 0 days since a Nazir came up.
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Inclusion in this no frills low effort* thread isn't meant as some high compliment, but good ones will slip in:
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-24#post-95311
Is fiscal drag what you wear to a party at HM treasury?
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-902#post-95303
Of course it's a spoof fruitloops
And yet even Mein Tool wasn't sure the first time around
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-899#post-94723
It's going to keep happening isn't it ...
Some women mistaken for men, in this case the winner of a race, thanks to the breakdown in the social contract wrought by trans rights privileges activists? Why yes, I think it may happen from time to time.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-901#post-95288
Oh that's where it's from.
Naivety about as believable as the construct known as N. I'd wager Steph is also crowing about the apology over on YACF.
And just like that, the original thread in which they poured hate on the winner has now been deleted.
Mumsnet mods delete stuff all the time, as someone who doubtless reports posts well knows.
As for bobzmyunkle “not defending mumsnetters in any way”, note the OP (assuming they're genuine; TRAs run ops behind enemy lines all the time) and now others had the class to apologise. Good luck wringing a mea culpa from those guilty of cheerleading far more damage.
*That was the idea, at any rate. Keeping it brief when covering the lie factory is hard.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-905#post-95419
yes, absolutely evil
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-63943766]
I wouldn't say it's evil, but I would say that it's drawing a weird line in the sand. By it being completely privately funded it's run according to the beliefs of those funding it which I don't think is a great idea because it pushes an agenda, in this case the exclusion of trans women.
You know what's evil? Denying women who have been raped a safe space away from men. Aurora will be along shortly to expand on that...
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-906#post-95450
It's a rape crisis centre for women. It excludes men. If a rape crisis centre for women includes men that's also pushing an agender [ISWYDT]. Women who have been raped and assaulted are entitled to heal away from men. It's absolutely abhorrent that anyone should think they aren't. The same applies to men.
Good job I don't think that then.
Scurrying away from his own words must get tiring for Andy; trying to follow along certainly does.
I fervently hope that one day Shaun will make NACA invisible to guests and set me free.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-908#post-95507
Now let's be truthful about JK Rowling and rape crisis centres. It is assumed by some that Rowling's intentions are noble. Here I will show that they are not. If Rowling had the genuinely held belief that trans women are to be helped in a separate facility, what would she do?
a) open a separate facility for trans women in crisis.
b) open a facility that excludes trans women in crisis...
[The former] would have achieved her objective, cis women and trans women in separate facilities, with no women excluded. Yet, she has chosen to use her money to duplicate services for women and exclude trans women.
For this thought experiment I lowered myself into moNkers's head, an environment not recommended for anyone but the most hardy {insert clip of The Descent}.
Problem: Women need rape crisis centres exclusively for themselves. In some locations, including Edinburgh (and down near me in Sussex), these no longer exist, as they admit men.
CORRECTION: I'm still framing this is a rational person would. The problem, as moNkers sees it, is that trans women need to be centred at all times in any discussions about trauma.
Solution: Miserly Rowling should fund a rape crisis centre for men trans women, who would then leave the other centres for so-called cis women. Have I got that right?
The spelunking continues.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-29#post-95553
Some context. Moyle is an openly gay man who has been trans supportive in parliament. Kelly Jay Keen is extremely trans exclusive who states that Moyle is a misogynist because he supports trans people.
Moyle is a misogynist because he's a misogynist. See also: bully.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4722846-miriam-cates-abuse-in-hoc-by-lloyd-russell-moyle
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-29#post-95566
Jesus. Worst Person in this Election is a crowded field, but we might have a new front-runner.
Theclaud has theworst taste in dance partners.
Shaun, please. Give it some thought.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/starmers-vision-quest.32/page-373#post-95598
Discuss whatever the hell you like, I don't care. It's mostly noise anyway.
How many posts will it take till you know,
That too many brain cells have died?
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-31#post-95615
The Tories have collapsed and Sir Keir will be wafted into power by the most indulgent media treatment of any Labour leader in my lifetime, backed by the vestiges of Labourism. What happens after that is not, in my view, going to be pretty...
No answers, my friend, just more of that idiot wind.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/starmers-vision-quest.32/page-375#post-95738
[Corbyn] was very good at being the conscience of the party in my opinion. Even if you don't agree with everything he says or believe he would have made a good prime minister, every party needs the equivalent of a Corbyn. They remind the party of roughly what the direction of travel should be, even if you don't want him to be the one taking you there.
Every forum needs an AuroraSaab: consistently sensible, never going to win the popular vote.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/usa-midterms.404/page-86#post-95747
I'm seeing posts supporting Trump all over social media
LOL, of course you are. That and Bangkok Chick Boys. I, on the other hand, am seeing posts supporting fully automated luxury Communism and how not to poison yourself when foraging umbellifers. That's how the internet works.
I didn't want to have to do this, but everyone submit their hard drives to me for inspection please.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-34#post-95779
Winning friends and influencing people again, I see.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-910#post-95841
Maybe you can't see the hate
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5085190-party-of-women?page=2&reply=135633224
You cannot stand up for women’s rights without hating the way they are being destroyed, hating the cheating by men in women’s sports, hating the attempts to make raped women tools to validate men’s desires, hating the medical abuse of young girls, hate the reinforcement of regressive stereotypes and the reduction of womanhood to a man’s feeling, hating the destruction of data that ensures our safety.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5087977-retiring-trans-judge-is-by-stonewall-rules-a-transphobe?reply=135723880
All of those words are transphobic. And the punctuation too.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-911#post-95858
I don't want to be on the side of people threatening to kill, rape and or maim an author. Those are not normal, sane or rational people.
A step in the right direction from bothsidesism.
[Rowling] doesn't do herself many favours in the ways she uses her social platforms/profile. Obviously it's up to her, but it wouldn't take much for her to say something along the lines of:
"See all these idiots latching onto what I've said and wildly misinterpreting things on both sides of the debate? Ignore them."
Translation: Somehow it's always the woman's fault. Funny that.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-911#post-95868
That's not even close to what I wrote, but OK.
We know you better than you know yourself.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-912#post-95901
Here's the thing. There's only one person spewing transphobic crap here, and it's you, a woman.
Every single other woman who has posted here disagrees with you. Every single one.
See how easy it is to pull apart your lies?
Do they? Most of them haven't commented on the specifics like sport or prisons or puberty blockers. I'm not counting Monkers of course because I haven't seen their gametes.
That made it, ta.
Tomorrow moNkers will have conniptions over “gametes”, but tomorrow’s another day.
Everybody on the Starmer forum seems to disagree with you by the way but you don't seem to take that as an indication you should stop posting.
No men in women's prisons, sports, or single sex spaces. A holistic approach to treating children with body dysphoria, not immediate affirmation or puberty blockers. None of that is transphobic and your endless ranting doesn't make it so.
Here's the thing.
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/seecowards.jpg)
That everybody reading this isn't on their feet cheering AS as she refuses to back down from this deluded psycho bully remains a mystery to me.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/continuation-of-covid-vaccine-post-from-the-main-site.142/page-6#post-95875
Anybody else here not had covid yet? I'm the only person I know who hasn't, though it could have been so mild as to be undetectable. I've probably had 2 proper colds in about 30 years...
I keep thinking I must have had as I go to cinemas, pubs, and gigs quite a bit. I've definitely come out of crowded venues thinking I must have had a good chance of having picked it up, but absolutely zero so far. I didn't even get it when everyone else in the house had it and didn't realise for days.
Is she even human?
I haven't had it either, but I'm practically a hermit.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-38#post-95931
Look at Sunak, Starmer, Davey, et al. Neither of them could throw a half decent polemic at a crowd, Farage, delivers with confidence and is very convincing....
Nazi’s always sound very convincing.
It's been 0 days since Nazis came up.
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I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/swearing-and-or-offensive-language.296/page-6#post-31658)
From the last few minutes of yesterday:
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-914#post-95936
Ooooh, can we have a manifesto?
That sounds fun!
I await the Society of Daffodils (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/ya-boo-sucks.525/page-3#post-70020) Underwhelming Manifesto. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto)
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-919#post-96049
It's at this point, when pressed for evidence of any of this confected bullshît happening...
Whenever you see something confected there's a very good chance (https://tinyurl.com/39847hn6) it's going to be Mein Tool.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-916#post-95983
Monkerisms. Somebody should put a book out really. It would give L Ron Hubbard a run for his money.
Here's a title: Mad (https://www.notanothercyclingforum.net/index.php?topic=2008.msg19022#msg19022) MoNkers.
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Still working on that first chapter
Pathological lying: the foundation of gaslighting
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-920#post-96089
Saying that she finds the views of anyone who disagrees with her to be 'despicable', including those who wished to disagree but remain friends, seems extreme to me.
Spot the difference between Ian's rendering and what Rowling actually said (with context at the link):
"Those appalled by my position often fail to grasp how truly despicable I find theirs."
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The gender thread came up short yesterday with only 97 new posts.
If you're gonna be a band, be a one man band
My first draft of today's Duty Calls included the following:
Ian H is an idiot.
Would it be fair to call him an idiot? Would it be accurate? Would it be helpful? Would it be cathartic? I pondered all these things as my finger hovered over 'Post'. Then I posted. Then I deleted. Then I added this bit about my angst over calling someone an idiot, which allowed me to post it after all.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-920#post-96097
Rowling is a writer. I assume she weighs her words precisely. She is expressing hatred and contempt.
Doubling down on the dishonest framing, (https://archive.ph/Sidob#selection-2567.0-2567.18) eh Ian?
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/negative-Ian.jpg)
The more glasses he wears, the worse he sees.
I am merely quoting her.
[screenshot of dictionary entry for 'despicable', (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-921#post-96104) in case the reader was in doubt of the definition]
His contempt for women who won't wheesht, inability to observe the nastiness of NACA gendermentalists or call out the genuinely hateful conduct of trans activists,
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/keenNZ.jpg)
A helpful reminder of inflammatory language (https://plainsight.nz/six-weeks-since-kellie-jay-keen-reflections-from-mana-wahine-korero/)
embrace of the irrational and subsequent inversion of cleverness earn him a lifetime Jowwy Award. (https://www.notanothercyclingforum.net/index.php?topic=3893.msg17316#msg17316)
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/idiocracy425-1.jpg)
What Award? (https://www.notanothercyclingforum.net/index.php?topic=3893.msg16470#msg16470) (It's not what you think.)
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-923#post-96151
This whole debate is characterised by hatred and contempt…flowing both ways.
The debate isn't enhanced by being wrong.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-923#post-96160
[whatevs]
Icowden, icowden, icowden. Still imagining he's dealing with a sane person [looks up definition of the opposite: spot on (https://archive.ph/rAzsk#selection-3205.0-3209.20)], still angling for that Nobel Peace Prize.
For the record (we've all got a record), I wouldn't mind the fiction so much if N's acting range went beyond sockpuppet – where's the challenge? I would be in utter awe if it turned out AuroraSaab was another head of the hydra. In fact, is she the enigmatic third in the three of us (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-898#post-94687)?
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-925#post-96197
N here.
I have no wish to have extensive engagement with you Aurora, but I note your means of dragging people [back] (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-924#post-96175) in.
It must be exhausting being you. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-922#post-96127)
I was going to end it there, but...
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-925#post-96208
N here,
I refer you to Swedish law. Read the Sterilisation Act (1975:580) Section 2. I think you will find your position untenable.
Is that the bit that says your nemesis Kathleen Stock drafted the eugenics policy in 1935 and JK Rowling (https://youtu.be/vRTsLuNnIAc) did the operations?
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[text only version]
Pick a metaphor:
- Briar patch (though I think that's just an American thing)
- Quicksand
- Maze designed with no access to a goal
- Other
Perhaps I've been unfair to icowden. For all his shortcomings, he does show up at the coalface and pick away at the disinformation, which has been sprinkled with enough nuggets of fact (if only because it's hard making every single word a lie or distortion or insult) to be painstaking work. He's hindered by that #BeKind union card, when we are so far past that now.
In case you haven't come across #BeKind before, dear reader, it's a joke in GC circles borne from bitter experience of starting off quite sympathetic to trans concerns, then being confronted with the reality of the frankly berserker behaviour of such as moNkers and Mein Tool. Hence another GC joke: "Let them speak." So others may peak.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-928#post-96252
That you promote the 'transition or die' narrative that encourages suicidal ideation in children is absolutely abhorrent.
The only suicide risk is to anyone with a brain wishing to blow it out
[pic - scarecrow w/gun]
after trying to get sense out of NACA's resident wordsmith.
[moNkers at Jack Torrance's typewriter again]
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-928#post-96265
['N' getting creative at the typewriter]
The scene when Jack writes obsessively on the typewriter "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" was re-shot a number of times, but changing the language of the typed copy to Italian, French, Spanish, and German, in order to match the respective dubbed languages.
The story at the link probably contains a few truths a competent therapist might be able to tease out. I think moNkers "saved" 'N'* by being an alter-ego for him to escape to and help build his simulated version of reality as a 'real' woman (running out of tongs here). They should arm wrestle over who is the dominant personality.
*Both of them being Steph at YACF, who like N has a DSD. This won't be news if you're a constant reader of NACF, which alas is not something I can assume. Steph gets his way on the trans identifying thread across the road; he must be furious that moNkers can't vanquish Aurora with the aid of mods at NACA.
Again: my Steph-as-moNkers theory is just that. However, it's a better story than anything coming from the keyboard of... Jack.
[pic of Jack frozen in the maze]
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-929#post-96276
Legal expert, medical expert, purveyor of the finest anecdotes of lived experience that must be swallowed whole without question.
Almost as versatile as Suzy Izzard.
[let's skip that pic]
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-49#post-96450
Every time Penny lies, the hair gets bigger #BBCDebate
They should see my hair after a ride.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-932#post-96437
The US medical profession has lots of professional groups, of which the ACP is only one in the paediatric field. Many of these groups are ideologically driven or under the influenceof activists. I wouldn't rule that out with this group either.
As US medicine is driven by money and pharmaceutical influence I don't expect any change in direction over there unless it's forced by legislation in individual states.
Individualised health care, privatisation, and no central national health system means individual doctors can pretty much do as they wish. The statute of limitations on medical negligence cases - can be typically only 2 years - means we're unlikely to see many court cases where doctors are sued for poor practise.
Why would a US doctor reflect on the Cass Report when one surgery brings in $100k? Plus further surgeries/care as some ops have a high complication rate. Plus a lifetime of monthly hormone prescriptions.
There's simply no reason for the US gender industry to even consider putting the brakes on.
No comment from the usual suspects, so keen to go on about the "grift" from KJK and gender critical writers.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5091389-let-women-speak-norwich-08-jun-2024-1300-1500?page=2&reply=135875681
I've been reading and listening to the people on the other side and they honestly truly believe that we hate trans people and don't want them to exist. This isn't true, we just don't think that they are literally women. That doesn't mean we hate them or don't want them to exist. Well obviously I don't speak for all TERFs but I certainly don't hate them and I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case for most of us.
It's bizarre to me how they have misunderstood us so much. It is bizarre listening to them talk about what they think we feel, it's like being in a weird parallel dimension. This probably has alot to do with the TRA peddling lies that LWS is a nazi movement.
Remind you of anyone?
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-933#post-96458
Is that your best shot?
It's the only shot needed.
You'd understand this if you actually had a brain.
Somebody better check on bobzmyunkle.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-933#post-96547
There is no problem.
Says the problem.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-934#post-96618
The problem is that for far too many people the current set up is over legalised and over medicalised. That is what so called self ID was intended to solve.
Assuming Labour get into power, Bromptonaut and his progressive mates will probably get their wish.
https://thecritic.co.uk/lefty-mens-failures-have-radicalised-women/
Yes, a few years ago, many of us supporting Badenoch now would not have been bothered about clarifying the meaning of sex. Yes, many of us are taking a much harder line on these issues than ever before.
Here’s the thing, though: it’s not because we’ve been “radicalised” by dark forces stuffing our passive ladybrains with far-right propaganda. It’s because before, we didn’t think we’d need to clarify anything. Before, we trusted trans-identified males not to abuse our goodwill. We trusted “progressive” men not to start pretending not to know basic biology. We trusted that women counted enough not to have our own interests so thoroughly discounted. It turns out we were wrong to be so trusting, and that is why so many of us no longer are.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-934#post-96665
14,000 posts, and some of you people still aren't getting with the programme.
“It is important that all people recognize and respect the transgender person’s identification as a man or a woman.
All people must believe (https://www.thefemalecategory.com/p/ncaa-trans-policy-allows-men-with) an idea in someone else’s head? All people must subscribe to someone else’s belief system? All people must play along. This is the foundation on which this policy is built—all people must recognize gender identity ideology. The authors assumed it was necessary to use eye-wateringly totalitarian language, all pointedly uni-directional, to make this brand of fairness and inclusion work.
Where were we?
I think all Dutch people are all paedophiles.
I have no evidence of this and it hasn't happened yet, but just to be safe I think we should lock them all up because it might.
We shouldn't wait until there are victims.
This goes back to Sonia Sodha's piece in The Observer, (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/09/the-law-on-single-sex-spaces-is-a-mess-it-needs-fixing-not-political-point-scoring?) which may have started out describing a theoretical case, but was about much more than that, as anybody reading past the first two paragraphs would've seen.
The most striking thing (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-932#post-96456) about that article is that the so-called dangers are entirely theoretical.
All the stuff that's actually been happening hasn't been happening. It's gaslighting
moral panic (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-935#post-96698)
(he forgot to add orchestrated by the far right – The Observer being a well known tool of same).
I suppose I should have a peek outside the gender thread.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-57#post-96691
Certainly can't see any Conservative signs round here, I think they must be obscured by all the Pride and the Palestine flags.
That didn't last long.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-935#post-96717
I'm with you on sports.
Sport is always the first (and sometimes the only) thing these men grudgingly concede. How big of him.
There are so many more important things affecting women's sport. Parity of pay, resources, coverage, training etc etc etc.
But...ooohh! There's a male student riding women's events in some sixth form college somewhere in the US everyone!!!!!
- Has no idea of the current scale of the problem.
- Doesn't care.
- Enjoys telling a woman what's important.
https://www.shewon.org
https://x.com/cathydevine56/status/1798968026814947459
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-937#post-96800
You don't have a clue about what parkrun represents.
Its not rocket science, its to encourage all ages and abilities to get off their arses and try running at a local park.
So simple that you don't know anything about it.
If it happens, that it is something so incomprehensible to the average Jo on the street, perhaps you could give us all an in depth explanation of what park run is
parkrun is simple.
Is anyone else on tenterhooks awaiting AndyRM's expanded reply? Or was that it? Is it a zen koan?
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-939#post-96903
I cannot think of a single reason not to vote.
Because [all together now] IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THEM.
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I was putting so much work into Pale Rider's posts I felt I had to end it: hence 'No Exit'. (Going with the proposition hell is other people, some are certainly a lot more hellish than others.) It was a way to chide myself while carrying on. Unfortunately this has just turned into another strand of Triggering, slightly tucked away is all. I'd zap this thread in the spirit of KISS, but haven't been able to bring myself to pull the trigger. As long as I keep stopping by the NACA free speech zone, duty will keep calling.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/israel-palestine.556/page-216#post-96762
Don't be too hard on yourself, you've been woke brainwashed
(https://i.imgur.com/ceycRP2.png)
Although I'm not a big fan of the W word, he's not wrong.
I don't agree with CXRAndy about Israel. Reasonable people can differ when it comes to geopolitical conflagrations. One's stance on this particular horror is not a dismissal of a fundamental reality. Good for him for plugging away on the gender thread in the face of overwhelming derision.
Who wants to bet cookiemonster has cute (https://archive.ph/Hy5DQ) posters from the trans (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-914#post-95946) lobby on his classroom walls.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-939#post-96901
Not that our resident clown says anything of interest anyway.
Which clown is that? There are more than a few to choose from.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-940#post-97063
CXRAndy: [Video exploring gender stereotypes] (https://x.com/ArielleScarcell/status/1802890352828858724)
AndyRM: You don't know who that is, do you?
icowden: I don't either but I did look down her tweet timeline, and well... she's probably not a good source, lets put it that way.
AndyRM: The guy talking is Christian Shearhod (a teacher), who's dating a trans model Eden Estrada. The commentator apparently/probably doesn't know this either.
icowden: I'd say that's a 100% certainty as she appears to be an avid Trumpian. It is however unintentionally hilarious once you have that information.
AndyRM: Agreed. Like much of the half arsed, half understood and often half watched sh!te that comes out of terrified snowflakes usually is.
What the 'Trumpian' is saying is addressed in a completely arsed way, which is to say not at all, because why engage with the (perfectly sane, btw) points when you can simply attack: it's so much easier.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-941#post-97121
[Tweet with video] (https://twitter.com/JenniferSey/status/1803200146571690411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1803200146571690411%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=)
It's badly edited, poorly shot, the timing is terrible and the sound mix is embarrassing.
[Strokes chin] Now that you mention it, that's bollocks.
I'd ban them from everywhere for those reasons alone.
A joke, I know, but he clearly isn't fussed about people getting banned for no good reason. It's an effective ad, competently produced, which he doesn't like because [checks notes] he's been woke brainwashed.
*aka Mini-Me since he started tagging along at Mein Tool's heels
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/climate-crisis-are-we-doing-enough.17/page-115#post-97148
A very British, middle class protest. Protest done, nobody hurt, no real damage - it wasn't even paint, druids can still enjoy the summer solstice, plenty of chance for the press and politicians to express their distaste. And absolutely no impact on stopping or reducing oil production or consumption. Everybody happy.
POTD
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-942#post-97169
FBI used to intimidate nurse who reported illegal sex mutilation surgery at Texas hospital.
No they didn't.
Yes they did. Gosh, where to next with this fascinating discussion.
Confirmation bias is just one of the many things CXR doesn't understand
It has been observed that confirmation bias only ever affects other people. This makes it one of the easier errors to spot, as one's own judgement is never impaired by it.
POTD from elsewhere: (https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/568823/presumptive-attitude-of-john-oliver-does-it-show-young-people-have-accepted-news/613c1369-3796-4775-894a-bc4b1a0de13a#comment-613c1369-3796-4775-894a-bc4b1a0de13a)
It's also a known propaganda strategy: leapfrog over the issue of contention, act as if it's a settled question or was always beyond question. Make anyone who is still "stuck" on that question feel they're behind the times, out of the loop, not one of the gang. Laugh scornfully at the very notion that there is anything to discuss.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-943#post-97244
One can wonder why it is important to hear the opinion of Rowling as just one person. As an aunt to a fabulous trans woman I'm in tune with David Tennant.
[photo of Tenant holding what may or may not be (https://youtu.be/9FO8LhD5lbc) the current Pride flag when you read this, wearing a shirt that says YOU WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ME in trans identifying letters]
Go through him to do what, exactly? Most people are running the other way. You know, being phobic and all.
I think the Rowling thing is that whether she wanted to or not she's ended up as a sort of figurehead of the anti-trans/women's lobby.
Translation: trans is anti-women.
I don't think (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-944#post-97261) Rowling is being told to shut up
Death threats not being the ultimate Shut up.
Next (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-945#post-97285) you'll be telling me that Hitler was right about the Jews because Kristallnacht and the Holocaust happened.
It's been 0 days since Hitler came up.
hate cult (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-945#post-97293)
So I guess the plan is to keep repeating these words until the end of time, or the end of the thread, whichever comes first. I've joked about moNkers as Jack from The Shining; perhaps Mein Tool is the better fit for that typewriter.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-946#post-97322
It was AS that referenced Nazis.
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/hitjack.gif)
moNkers is of course inverting reality; it's Mein Tool who Nazifies at the drop of a hat.
Dare mention this (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-945#post-97278) and voilà, it's you going Godwin.
haters gonna hate (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-944#post-97266)
Trolls gonna troll.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-949#post-97425
You actually have no idea what the women in Brighton spoke about, and it wouldn't matter anyway.
I think that was to classic33, but it may as well have been any of the men's rights chorus.
When a group of men (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-948#post-97391) are making so much noise to try and drown out the words being said.
Yes they're scared of females.
Here there be noisemakers.
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/pankhurst-1.jpg)
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-75#post-97594
We had a go at my MIL because she wasn't going to vote. We told her about Emmeline Pankhurst and now she's going to vote. We told her to stop reading the DM and not to vote Tory, but also that she is free to make up her own mind!
NACA in a nutshell.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-953#post-97566
[photo of a sea lion]
It should go without saying that AS isn't actually sealioning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning); but he's familiar with the term, and eager to use it.
Oooohhhh, (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-74#post-97580) is this your foray into learning about algorithms?
Both AndyRM and Mein Troll (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-953#post-97546) fly high above the algorithmic haze.
You are a sideshow of freaks. (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-955#post-97616)
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1804864541064368243
Each of us must be told that we represent only ourselves or a lunatic fringe.
Having recently rewatched 28 Weeks Later, I'm thinking Tool has a touch of the rage virus.
[illustration of @effinbird used in service of calling CXRAndy an asshole (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-954#post-97576)]
Welcome to NACA.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-963#post-97915
Those 26 nurses do not represent 26 incidents. They represent one.
Or: look how much damage just one trans identifying man can do.
There was also more than a single incident, despite his best efforts at minimisation.
. . .
There's probably nothing I can say about Tool that I haven't already. We're both broken records, the difference being he's warped. (That may be new.) It's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about on the gender thread, and accuses people of the very things he's guilty of, from lying to logical fallacies to living in an algorithmic bubble. In fact that's his main mode of attack: the simple reverse, e.g., you're in a cult (his current favourite word), when it's so very obvious who's engaging in cult-like behaviour. It is, as I said a few posts ago, the equivalent of making a lot of noise in an attempt to drown out the opposition.
He is a waste of time, yet here I am posting about him. Again. I'd check myself into Hatescrollers Anonymous, except I'm not anonymous, and it's fascination, not hate: I can't wrap my head around how someone can behave the way he does.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-966#post-97987
Perhaps just better to leave people to get on with campaigning about what is important to them, whether it's Gaza, women's rights, or whatever else takes their fancy.
BREAKING NEWS
I've located Mein Tool.
You have to admit the Labour guy sounds eerily similar to the forum troll, even if he didn't start insulting her the way Tool does Aurora and others. Unless you count his entire performance as an insult.
I wouldn't say that was Julia at her best, her first question being as loaded as they come, but he was so awful she's forgiven. Whether or not men have been assigned to share women's actual bunk beds in prison, which may have been the technicality that kept him from lying, at least in his own mind, his denial that they haven't been housed together was one of those moments where you find it hard to believe what you're hearing. Full on TWAW, as captured as you're going to find.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-968#post-98048
cult
CXRAndy shares a lot of tweets. Each one offers a discussion point, splendidly annoying the actual cult members. It's win-win. Bonus points for remaining completely unruffled by them.
[Rowling tweet (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-968#post-98045) "In which the First Minister of Scotland does a very good impression of a teenager trying to bullshit his way through questions on a book he's never read."]
He doesn't really though, does he?
He's hesitant, says it's a debate, and makes his own feelings known.
Personally I prefer that approach than launching into some bollocks spiel which inevitably gets torn to shreds, but maybe that's just me.
Fuck me, I'm going to agree – or at least not totally disagree – with Mini-Me here; except I would prefer the approach where the first minister wasn't frightened of being torn to shreds by trans rights privileges activists, and without hesitation stated facts known to all but the most addled, because he's an adult human male with a working brain, with the courage of the adult human female.
cult (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-969#post-98059)
cult (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-969#post-98067)
cult (https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-969#post-98069)
Thanks for helping me find that song!
Oh, and this (https://uploads.ovarit.com/669f3cce-a76d-5651-901b-e8e10d5b2403.png) seems tailor-made.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-969#post-98066
this forum... has a regular engagement that totals 4, with perhaps 3 or 4 occasional others
I count half a dozen regulars on the gender thread: Mein Tool, moNkers, Aurora, icowden, and the two Andys. There are at least that many others plugging away elsewhere, including punching in for reactions. For an adjunct to a major cycling forum it's an abysmal state of affairs.
Though Duty Calls can seem like a death watch, I expect NACA will carry on no matter how little subscribed it is, since they need a place to shunt anything OT that's even slightly controversial. As long as Mein Tool is around it's hard to imagine it coming back to even the modest but interesting forum it was before, let alone blossoming into something more worthwhile.
(https://prettygoodbritain.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/NACAWTF.jpg)
The less we hear from others, the more posts we get from the man-child:
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-970#post-98088
Of all the things I've needed psychological help with over the years, being non-binary has never been one.
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https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1055#post-103324
Last night's slew of contributions by 'N' were doubtless triggered by the recent attack of eye-rolling.
When I think of moNkers and Aurora I sometimes picture The Hound and his mutant zombie brother fighting and falling to their deaths at the end of Game of Thrones:
That's not quite fair, as Aurora can't be compared to either. Tyrion is perhaps the closest casting choice, because he always talked sense, even when drunk. How tall is she?