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[Pale Rider]

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Gender ad nauseum [sic]

Now people should see why I say this poster is gish-galloping, It is the act of making many false claims without evidence, leaving it for others to have to reluctantly work hard to debunk all the lies.

It's ongoing, despite the lies being debunked, they are repeated ad nauseum catching some unsuspecting folk along the way, which is the exact intention.

I am, or was until quite recently, likely to misspell "ad nauseum", which gives me one thing in common with monkers. The other is that we are both authority figures, our reluctance adding weight to our veracity.

Correct.

Correct again.

This is incorrect.

This is also incorrect.

And [of] course this is all wrong too.

A few more

iterations to add to the tally since my post the other day, now a part of the official illustrated record of these proceedings.

I'm surrounded by women and we talk.

In fact I briefly entertained the notion that monkers is amongst my readers (aka the silent majority), teasing me after I highlighted this phrase and used 'ad nauseam' [not sic], but I await a definitive sign.

Jesus Aurora, if you just move to Beverley you can unplug, forget the whole nightmare and take up crochet.

Might want to stay away from yarn.

Clickbait, and its use of.

Are you like me, finding clickbait headlines increasingly insane? Whilst I expect insanity from the likes of GBNews and the Express, it is creepingly expanding near everywhere...

While we wait for something to make that thread worth clicking on, here's a dose of sanity

and bonus clickbait:

Top finishers in Brooklyn half non-binary division

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all male

These men haven’t even changed their names - they’re literally just men. It may be better than running in the women’s category, but why should men get a whole other category? Now we have men, women’s (also men’s), and non-binary (men.) Mediocre men can choose two extra categories to win in depending on how much effort they want to put into changing their bodies/identities. Women are over in women’s where we can be beaten by men. A woman training at an elite level to be at the top of her category gets the same prize money as a man who wouldn’t be 100th in his. And of course, biological men are always faster even though people keep trying to tell us women just need to run faster and try harder.

How can people not notice this massive giant piss-take?

One, they don't read media that carry these stories.

Or, two, they do notice it, and reach the mountain top. [It is officially frowned upon for Mumsnetters to use the term "peaking"]

Or three, they do notice it, but it means the "progressive" claptrap they've embraced has something seriously wrong with it, they can't cope with this and just ignore the piss-take.

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Trans Is Something We Made Up

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"We can make up something much better."

Have I linked to that before? (Looks like I have.) No matter. There are interesting discussions about it over at Yacf and at the usual place. While you're there, here's a thread about more make believe.

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The hearts are a nice touch

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Sorry, what was that again?

[Pale Rider]

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- Quote Investigator

Or as Orwell definitely put it and us transphobes are wont to tweet, “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” I reckon most of us are revolutionaries by default.

Gender again.

AuroraSaab: So what if one athlete doesn't care that she was beaten by a male in the female category?

Ian H: A trans woman was the winner. Your deliberate misgendering is likely to inflame antagonism & even violence [violent eyeroll - Ed.] towards an already vulnerable group of people.

icowden: Are we really reduced to saying that women with wombs were beaten by a woman who previously owned testicles?

Ian H: I think what you're saying is that you're happy to use abusive & inflammatory language towards a small group of people who already suffer a huge amount of abuse.

matticus: It's the ABUSE that should be cracked down on; not the use of scientifically correct language.

Ian H: What about legally correct language?

A Jowwy Award goes to Ian for his pent up desire to compel realityphobic speech whilst ramping up the fear of ill-defined "abuse", which is sure to include... drumroll please... "misgendering".

Perhaps he can go into coalition with Ed Davey.

Not sure why it's always ianh who winds me up the most

I picture Ian drowning in Kool-Aid, like the apocryphal chicken holding its mouth open to the rain.

The problem is that it isn't realistic to do [exclude male bodies from changing rooms]… There are also some transwomen who you could not distinguish visually from a cis woman.

So whilst I agree with you that women's safety should be a consideration, I don't see that toilets are anything other than an irrelevant convenience…

[Takes icowden aside to discuss his career prospects] This is why you'll always be Robin. And I'm even reconsidering that.

Now there are women like you who wish to argue that others can not share their special word,

Monkers, are you sure you're not a guy? Because the way you're fetishising the word 'woman', I'm getting strong guy vibes here. You might want to have another look under the hood, is all I'm saying.

You are doing your bit to contribute to an environment that is hostile to TW, sneakily eliding them with predators...

Couldn't call your elision sneaky.

Post of the day.

And word of the day: elision.


A helpful reminder of inflammatory language

Those of us without diseased minds saw a huge number of non-trans people showing up because they didn't want that little fascist cûnt stirring up hate in their country…

Little Kellie knows the game is up. She's niche. Real niche. Most people aren't hate-filled cùnts.

Normal Island

Language is important.

So I'm given to understand.

[Pale Rider]

What do you know, it's Gender again.

If you can't define what a woman is, what chance does the IOC or Keir Starmer have?

We all know what a woman is. This ridiculous game of pretending no one knows it's biological material reality is simply a way of trying to undermine provision for women by suggesting anyone can be a woman because 'What's a woman??? Nobody knows!! It's a mystery! We can all be women!'

Asking 'What is a woman?' isn't a test of knowledge. It's a test of who is prepared to lie.

Andrew again. Because despite some of the dated references, this never gets old.

Thanks but I don't need you, Aurora, or any other self-appointed authority to explain [DSDs] to me.

You can't move for bumping into self-appointed authorities.

Mate. Stop concern-trolling elite African athletes. Your idea of 'protecting women's sports' involved sanctioning the inspection of Ohio schoolgirls' genitalia by medics. You need to sit the fuck down.

Concern trolling: disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion. Which doesn’t even come close to describing AS. It does, however, fit the M.O. of at least one bona fide woman hater on the thread, who doubtless will swoop in later today (it’s very very early on the 25th as I contemplate this nonsense – where does the time go), grateful to have the venerable claud on side. Another Orwell misquote comes to mind.

5 hours later…

They aren't even interested in women's sport, otherwise there would be some interest in the real issues surrounding women's sport, like inequality of opportunity, pay differentials, abuse, media coverage etc, not this fake moral panic that women's sport is over because somebody did a park run [and stab. - Ed.]

As Ive said before, if it wasnt wanging on and on about trans women it would be 5g or covid lockdown/vaccines, because the truth is these weirdo obsessives have a psychological predisposition for this sort of thing. Do these people never read their own twitter feeds and have even a fleeting moment of self-awareness?

The 2nd paragraph didn't survive an edit, and I wasn't obsessive enough to catch it in an archive save. Or was I.

It's possible he had a fleeting look at his own feed, followed by a moment of self-awareness.

on edit: Must look into this 5g situation.

Here's Forrest.

Here's an antidote to Forrest:

And here's a better one since provided, though it's doubtful most will even scroll to the bottom of the sources page. I certainly had trouble. Not enough pictures.

I'd imagine the chromosomal abnormalities are a medical specialism of their own.

Every time you post you drive a wedge between people whose interests have hitherto been compatible or at least mutually intelligible. But of course that's the point. Those with any sense intuitively understand that solidarity with LGBT people in the face of a reactionary assault on their rights and those of women is a no brainer.

Placeholder for the essay this deserves in response:

Those who have already jumped the shark become more obsessed and monomaniacal

At the risk of self-identifying as such:

One only has so much time to be setting people aright unawares: it's wise to choose a specialist subject. So here I continue to be. Not sorry.

(Note how Arthur Fonzarelli channels multitool at the end)

You're giving a whole new lease of life to the term Useful Idiot.

[Insert plug for book]

A small digression about 'level playing fields'. We went to a talk by Michael Hutchinson the other day (intelligently entertaining, if you get a chance). He made the point that his inate genetic advantages (an extra litre or so of blood and huge lung capacity) gave him the physical ability to perform as a top-level professional cyclist. Should he have been banned from men's sport or put into a separate category?

Have I got a book for you.

Personally, I believe that the discussion over access to sport and, to some extent, public toilets, takes away from the more important point about making sure that society treats people with issues about their gender, and not just those going down the more extreme routes of drug and surgical interventions fairly and not as if they are just weird or a threat to others [this link brought to you by Nothing To See Here, Move Along].

Bulk discounts available.

I do know some people like to compete in non-competitions. Some even claim to have 'won' an Audax event (they know who they are).

Isn't the usual formulation that Audaxes are for people who want to pretend they're not racing, and Sportives are for people who want to pretend that they are?

Thanks for the laugh, much needed. A lot more mileage to be gotten from the word 'pretend', but let's enjoy the moment.

From memory there have been three women telling Aurora to sit down

You know who else keeps this kind of count? Multitool. Either they inspire each other, or they are each other.

In fact I briefly entertained the notion that monkers is amongst my readers (aka the silent majority), teasing me after I highlighted this phrase and used 'ad nauseam' [not sic], but I await a definitive sign.

I bet you think you are part of the 'silent majority' don't you.

Hell, maybe they're me, setting 'em up for Aurora to knock 'em down – I'll have to check the tapes to see what I get up to when I'm supposedly "asleep". A textual analysis also shows some striking similarities in style between monkers and Gertrude/Theodore Blovius.

That multi has today changed his avatar to a native American almost clinches it, don't you think?

Since when was transactivism a men's right movement?

Because it isn't.

it's all about inclusivity

and belittling the needs of the many

We're going to need a bigger thread.

[Pale Rider]

Don't you love art?



Genre encore

Me reading Aurora's posts

Multitool has inspired me to illustrate, with the finest of art, Emily Bridges's entirely rational reaction yesterday to British Cycling's new policy on trans athlete genocide, phase 1.

British Cycling has just banned us from racing. This was to be announced at 11 am today,



but I'm done with this whole conversation being on their terms, and being controlled by them.

They have no authority to control this conversation anymore. Does it surprise me that the same organisation funded directly by a state that ships vulnerable refugees to Rwanda, violently clamps down on any political dissent that they disapprove of, or starves their people? No, of course, it doesn't.



The same organisation with actively homophobic coaches, who encouraged eating disorders and did nothing about any bullying between its riders. The same organisation where elite riders influence their policy when it doesn't fit their entitled and narrow worldview, with no ability for nuance or any desire to question the view that they've been told since birth.



Journalists have been circling like vultures



at a corpse for the last few days, gagging at the opportunity for a story or comment. British Cycling is a failed organisation, the racing scene is dying under your watch and all you do is take money from petrochemical companies



and engage in culture wars. You don't care about making sport more diverse, you want to make yourself look better and you're even failing at that. Cycling is still one of the whitest, straightest sports out there, and you couldn't care less.

This is a violent act.



When the government is expressing admiration towards Ron Desantis' fascist state which kidnaps children, and is itching to pass legislation to ban us from public life, this is a violent act. British Cycling are supporting this, they are furthering a genocide against us. Bans from sport is how it starts, look at what is going on in America.



It starts with sports bans, then youth and general healthcare and then bans from public life through bathroom bans. Just look at the situation, and who is on your side. When literal Nazis,


Keen Nazi, mixed media, a NACF original

conspiracy theorists and those who want our eradication are on your side, surely that should give you pause?

I agree that there needs to be a nuanced policy discussion and continue to conduct research, but this hasn't happened. Research isn't being viewed critically,



or any discussion about the relevance of the data to specific sports. Any discussion is inherently political and driven by bad faith actors, and the whole discussion is framed by the media who are driven through engagement by hate and funding from far-right ultra-capitalists. I've given my body up to science



for the last two years, and this data will be out soon. There is actual, relevant data coming soon and discussions need to be had.

I know a lot of people will think I'm being dramatic,



or overplaying how scary things are at the moment. I'm having to consider an exit plan from this terrible island and figure out what point enough is enough. It terrifies me to exist at the moment. I have friends getting hate crimed all the time, and my reality is that I can't look ahead to the future or make plans because I don't know if I'll be allowed to live that long.



Do you have any idea what that does to someone psychologically? To constantly see your existence being put up for debate, and the other side openly calling for our eradication? I don't even know if I want to race my bike any more,



the danger and everything that would come with racing makes it a pretty hard thing to justify to myself. But you have no right on telling me when I am done. This is my decision and mine alone.

Yeah, I might be speaking strongly at the moment, but this is my reality right now. It is literally a fight for survival for me and my family at the moment.



I hope the media have fun cherry-picking quotes from this and making me look hysterical.


In case you haven't heard enough.

And the band played on...

Your absolute blindness to heteronormative gender ideology, which has had much more impact on all of us than any transgender orthodoxy, is one of the reasons you are so exasperating on this topic.

Is that not the same with any issue where people are captured by some sort of fixed view of the world, which they want to imprint on everything, and everyone? The, for want of a better word, aspergic inability to see beyond their own fixed point, empathise with others, or, as you say, weigh up the realities of the world against their own vision filtered through dogmatism.

Maybe - in terms of dogmatism and intolerance of dissent or nuance, it feels like a flashback to being involved with the SWP at university - the relentless recruitment to a cause in place of normal social interaction. The reason no one wants the SWP around is not usually any specific political disagreement as such but more a resentment at being treated like fodder and as a person who can't possibly have thought already about something and ended up in a different place.

[Pale Rider]

Down for the count

Time for another tally. As of 6.24 this morning, multimuse's post count on THE thread stood at 840 since he arrived on the scene at the beginning of this year. AuroraSaab stands at 876 for the same time period, and nothing to indicate zealotry before that. Considering she has to defend her views against the dybbuky^[1] duo multi & monkers – word count anyone? – not to mention Classic, Bromptonaut, Ian, newfhouse, the OP, and whoever else washes up to have a pop at her, with only the TERF trainee Robin {mostly} on side, bobzmyunkle stopping in for the occasional



at the Joker Don Logan [do keep up], and a sprinkling of others not onboard with the inclusive juggernaut, well… do your own math on this metric of obsession.

That I also keep coming back for more is down to unique circumstances which will only be news if you've just crash landed on this post: my interest in these matters, particularly the assaults on free speech, led to my being banned from CC and Cycling UK as well as fatally hobbled at Yacf. Oddly enough this fuelled my desire to not shut the fuck up about it.

As I'm stuck like a bug in my eye on one of my rides (I refuse to wear shades) in the uk cycling forum milieu, and none of the other forums appeal, that leaves me here in castle NACF with the literally thankless task of appreciating AS's overwhelmingly sensible posts, my only reward being that I get to gnaw my arm off in frustration at statements like this:

Sex is not a spectrum, but it is and always has been an unstable category, with contingent meanings, grey areas, and real-world situations that unsettle its certainties. If everything arising from it were so natural and inevitable, why would it need have needed the violent enforcement of the patriarchy over so many centuries, and why does it require so much cultural work (like the crusade you're on now) to uphold it?

'Crusade' is at least an equally apt description of what the resident TRA foot soldiers are up to, along with the sadly fallen Stonewall, Pink News, and the entire fevered apparatus devoted to convincing us that this testerical, science denying, regressive, homophobic, physically and mentally harmful, boundary invading and colonising, infuriating movement is a worthy cause. For the love of god, compare cults



[here's a helpful link to my own cult HQ], though the diktats and commandments of the trans ideology make it more like a state religion in some countries now.

Note the tactics that trans rights activists tend to use, silencing being far and away their fav, with a heavy helping of threats and a world class ability to shamelessly lie^[2] (because like most things, lying works even better with great practice), as opposed to those of us 'gender critical' peeps inciting violence with our dictionaries, documentaries and Hachettes. We also hold ourselves to a standard of self reflection I've yet to see from them.

Yes, AuroraSaab can be annoying. People who are relentlessly right often are. Unfortunately she's at her weakest, and admittedly most annoying, when rebutting theclaud. I've mentioned before that she doesn't evidence much of a sense of humour, which is a pity, but forgivable given that her preoccupation is factual material

LASER FOCUS

rather than conversational consensus building that's never going to happen anyway.

Claud complained yesterday that "almost everyone gets pissed off with [Aurora's] misrepresenting their positions".

"Almost everyone" appears to be the cohort which agrees with the intensely political Claud, and ignores that the usual suspects frequently leave themselves wiggle room by coming to the brink of saying something, then expressing bemusement that anybody with their brain turned on can finish the sentence. Then there are those who haven't thought their position through, giving Aurora the opportunity to (annoyingly, I'm sure) do their homework for them.

Claud also expressed lamentation about people being treated as if they can't "possibly have thought already about something and ended up in a different place." This is definitely something all concerned should have a think about. I have, and concluded that a) too many NACAns obviously haven't made much of an effort to educate themselves, given the ill-informed posts they continue to make after nearly 300 pages of this, and b) it's not our fault they're still in the wrong place. c) I'd insert a smiley here, but, you know.



1. No prizes for guessing I was aiming for a dy- word instead of dynamic.

2. One tiny example of a fabrication out so very many on offer. And what's this nearby?

if you look at their previous posts they're largely ignored

So true, dear 'bot; better to be left to my own devices than smothered with attention by the mediocre. Let us compound my masochism in reliving that sorry episode by cueing the following dollop of irony, which isn't coming near any playlist of mine despite other examples of the genre which shall remain nameless.

3. Has Captain's Blog been cancelled, or just fallen through the cracks? I'd ask ChatGPT, but it'd probably ignore me, too.

4, though there was no 4. Why 'Fin'? Because that's how the last post ended, and for a nanosecond I considered that would be a good place for the sweet release of a full stop. It has become abundantly clear if I keep visiting, I'll keep writing about it here.^[3]