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Pale Rider:
Thanks to multitool (hereby christened Mein Tool) and moNkers, the NACA word cloud is raining Nazis.
Thanks for being my muse.卐
One more makes it a trilogy.
Membership hath its privilegesWe offer an attractive signing bonus:
- No need to answer security questions before every post.
- Can mark topics read
- Can post in most boards
Unfortunately, membership is not an option for [checks clipboard] Mein Tool and monkers. 'N', on the other hand, is welcome to join provided photographic evidence is forwarded of N in the same place, time, and plane of existence as moNkers.
The terrible two do have the same ability as any other guest to post on this board.
This invite obvs. to be filed under As If.
I wasn't kidding about the cutting room floor:
--- Quote from: Mein Tool ---If anyone is member material, it is me, by definition.
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--- Quote ---This 'administrator' can't even hold down a forum membership himself.
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--- Quote ---[Smiley genocide] don't you remember? Have you all got Covid brain?
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--- Quote ---He's not even a real vegetarian – he eats eggs.
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--- Quote ---He's just hungry for scraps of conversation with other than his tumbleweeds.
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And of course,
--- Quote ---I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member anyway.
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Winjim once said I was more interesting on my own than the entire NACA board. Or words to that effect. If I ever find the quote again I'll be sure to take another bow, assuming I got it right. (I could've sworn he used the word 'perspicacious'.)(On edit: Found it. "Perspicacity". I'm still here, WJ. Having passed the test for taste, and gotten extra credit for discernment, you're welcome.)[close]
--- Quote from: Bunker Magazine ---The first is the best, but they're all worth [checks sums] 7.24 of your time.
The ultimate bunkerful of parodies
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--- Quote from: Judith Butler ---卐 I bow to the master.
Taking too bloody long to load?
The Economist, Who’s afraid of Judith Butler, the “godmother of queer theory”?[close]
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--- Quote from: theclaud ---Best. Thread. Ever.
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Aw shucks.
Oh, she meant this one:
Ignore this
The bar is low
The glasses many
Let me know
When drops the penny
And so it goes
on and on and on and on
--- Quote from: farfromtheland ---As a teacher I was asked by smirking seven year olds, 'Are you a girl or a boy, Miss?', to which I replied, 'Neither.' but the real question is how to make this small ask irrelevant.
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Sounds like a missed opportunity (geddit?) to say girls can be however they want to be.
--- Quote ---It is unfair to demand feminists embrace declared faith in inner gender difference but not expect trans-people to embrace that some people validly don't take it as axiomatic truth. As long as we are respectful it can be left undecided.
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With respect – FFTL really is trying to elevate the saggier parts of the discussion – make up your mind...
--- Quote ---misgendering is not helpful or necessary
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Are feelings more important than facts, and if so, whose feelings trump whose? There is no stable middle ground in TWAW.
Once more, and nothing personal: who are you that I should have to lie. Even in these days of our own individual truths, honesty remains the best policy.
--- Quote from: Mein Tool ---If and when [AuroraSaab] wants to talk about real issues that matter to women (rather than a confected threarlt whipped up by weirdo cultists and co-opted by populist politicians) I'll be here.
Mini-Me
--- Quote from: AndyRM ---[Doubles down on the other c-word, because DARVO is their bread and butter]
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[close]
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Translation: "If you want to do feminism right, ask someone with balls."
--- Quote from: Rusty Nails ---I am so used to reading posts that are based on demonising people...
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If you're going to point fingers, at least point them in the right direction.
--- Quote from: Mein Tool ---Schools frequently know better than some parents.
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Translation: most parents aren't having it, so we need an arm of the state to push this ideology.
--- Quote from: Mini-Me ---Somehow the kind of pish that Andy goes wild for cropped up on my social media earlier...
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If Mini-Me is getting fed these sorts of low grade memes (a quick search shows the source was satire, though not very good satire), it says something about his browsing habits. Whatever else you may think of the things CXRAndy shares, they seldom plumb these depths.
--- Quote ---Copy of tweet: "put a fried egg on my croque monsieur to make it a croque madame and now jk rowling is outside my house yelling"
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Angry old man/get off my lawn gets a genderist reboot. The tweet author (I did my due diligence and visited his timeline) raised a few smiles here; pity he's on the wrong side of reality.
It's been a joy to watch JK fully unfurl.
--- Quote ---All I'm getting from these recent interactions is that I can carry on being non binary and living by my own tenets, which involve not being a prick about others choices.
Join the temple.
Ave Satanus.
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The devil is in the details, one small one being that YOU'RE NOT AFFECTED, ya big galoot.* Easy to nobly accept "others choices" then, isn't it.
*Exactly the right word. - Ed.
--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---However anybody spins the gender identity thing it always comes down to sexist stereotypes in the end.
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At the risk of cultural appropriation, true dat.
--- Quote from: field trip to Ovarit ---They make boxes, then split those boxes into more and more boxes, and then they decide which box they like best (and decide they belong into the opressedest and queerest little box). They really don't realise how insanely rigid and conservative they are. It's genuinely sad, until I read about them claiming a woman with short hair and casual clothes is "appropriating NB culture" (that was cringey to type) then all my sympathy for them goes down the drain.
See also.
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Here there be feminists.
--- Quote from: Mein Tool to an imagined burn victim ---What a life. Spending your day following the Tool round trying to dry hump his leg.
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Unironically shifting into 3rd person is a cry for help. He clearly loves being a big dick in a small pond, his leg constantly tingling with anticipation. If it wasn't for forums, he'd find a hole outside to stick it in as bait for lonely badgers.
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--- Quote from: Mein Tool ---...members of his cult...
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The last I checked, I was not a member of any cult.
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Haven't you heard? It's cults all the way down.
--- Quote from: moNkers to a woman ---
--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---Despite hundreds of posts you've yet to coherently explain why we should treat some men differently to other men, other than they say so.
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Trans women with [an official piece of paper] are women. You are not a woman since you deny your gender identity.
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Another gem from Operation Let Them Speak: man wins best womaning contest.
(Not the clip you were expecting?)
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--- Quote from: AS ---I have no gender identity. It's a metaphysical belief to which I don't subscribe...
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I bet you've, at some point, worn a skirt, and I don't think it was your ovaries, tit's and fanny that compelled you to do it. It was your mind. It's not a physical event, it is a mental one based on identity.
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You don't have to have a dick to talk like one, but it helps. Still, we must stop all the clocks, because he has a point. It doesn't legitimise the demand to elevate gender identity over sex, but absolute denial of said identity has always been where AS is weakest.
--- Quote ---["Right-wing" ad nauseam]
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There's a word for thinking if you're not buying everything the left wing is selling, there's only one other thing you can be; that there are only two states of being. I can't think what it is.
--- Quote from: moNkers to AuroraSaab ---Oh my word, you really are an actual idiot fruitloops.
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This long-running match hasn't exactly been Borg vs McEnroe (a very dated reference I'm never relinquishing); more like the Ice Woman* vs a couple of hotheads who think they're pros because they watched a game on TV, got knocked out cold by the first ace (imagine the ball bopping into one head then rebounding off the other), and dreaming they've been winning ever since.*
*I'm aware Mac was actually correct, unlike the stooges in question.
--- Quote from: Mein Tool ---Belief is not the same as knowledge or fact.
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Meinsplainin'.
A woman saying nein drives a certain type of man bonkers. They can't handle it without a great deal of spittle flying.
Pale Rider:
If you're looking for 'Meinsplaining' – and who isn't, in these times of uncertainty? – it's one post up. You've reached the multiple personalities helpline (it takes many to know many).
--- Quote from: moNkers ---N tells me by text that she may pop in here later to put straight the situation regarding statutory and non-statutory guidelines. I'm looking forward to seeing her
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MONKERS = MAN
N = SAME MAN
HTH
(I'm thinking dual SIM phone, if he/he wants to get elaborate about it.)
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--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---[Doesn’t really matter]
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N here.
Will you kindly clarify, who is the poster you intended this for?
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Stop, please. My sides.
Pale Rider:
Let us first celebrate the life of Hieronymus Fabricius
"Fab"
aka the father of embryology, 20 May 1533 - 21 May 1619 and thus very nearly a birthday-perisher. I have no proof, but believe he has been reincarnated as Buck Angel.
Hieronymus would've loved tats like that
Say what you will about his lack of shoulders, the man expanded human knowledge.
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--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---N and M seem identical... Why don't you start separate accounts?
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What has that to do with anything and why is it any business of yours how somebody operates their account?
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P here, Pale Rider’s aide-de-camp. He’s taking much needed respite in an undisclosed location. The operation of NACA accounts falls within his remit as a freelance explainer of things.
--- Quote from: icowden ---I have to say that N's writing style is different and I have no issue with Monkers and N being two different people. She has explained this in detail and given us some of N's background.
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I’ve checked recorded history, and nobody has ever been so naïve. In the event icowden actually thinks moNkers is engaging in good faith, we should book a RealityCheck™ appointment at his earliest convenience.
--- Quote from: icowden to monkers. I mean N. ---Thank you for sharing your story.
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They (I use the pronoun advisedly) barely even qualify as multiple personalities. M/N is a single personality.
Mein Tool, being an any-means-to-an-end kind of guy, naturally doesn't have a problem with whatever subterfuge is required.
Icowden, consider this an intervention: you may think you're being polite and advancing the discussion, but privately this pair of locusts must be laughing at you even as they thank you for enabling them. I respect you enough to laugh out loud.
on edit:
R here, P's long-in-the-tooth intern (not everyone gets the breaks P had in life. I have a degree in meeja studies and audited an Open University course on heteronormativity heteronyms. Look where that got me.) My instructions are to point you to the videos at the top of this page ↑↑↑ which all of us had a hand in producing. My job was to give Hitler Marilyn Monroe's hair.
--- Quote from: moNkers ---Alas the weekend is over. N is briefly in London, and then on her way back home to Europe later today. She is not back here until the 7th, and then the three of us are straight off on holiday.
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P here again. No offence to R, but I'll handle this. Our post went up before the latest reply. There's a nice symmetry. Who knows, their holiday could be at the same place as Pale Rider's respite.
Fancy meeting you here
A deeper dive might ascertain the identity of this mysterious third party, but let's leave them their privacy.
--- Quote from: moNkers ---Most people don't even know their own sex
--- Quote from: sane person ---Really?
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Yup. What are your chromosomes? I presume mine are XX, but not having had them tested, I can't say for sure.
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Even our chromosomes like their privacy.
You wonder how some folks even breathe if they don't know for sure the exact composition of the air.
aide-de-camp:
--- Quote from: moNkers ---When I said 'fark off' that wasn't a heat of the moment thing. I think your heart is cold - just like a fascist.
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An oldie but a goodie.
Gender again. Sorry!
It's been a few months. Big news!
--- Quote from: Rohan Man ---I choose to be defined by my clothing.
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Considering how Bromptonaut defines women, that's hardly news. This, on the other hand, qualifies:
--- Quote from: Mein Tool ---Bye everyone! Signing out for good as I've spent much longer here than I intended, and I have other things I need to be doing.
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So many wells to poison, so little time.
Did he see the writing on the wall for gender ideology? Run out of precious bodily fluids for Starmer?*
--- Quote from: AndyRM ---Fare thee well. Haven't always seen eye to eye, but (most of) your input will be a loss to the forum.
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*"semen for Starmer" is catchier but yuckier
Always sad when people choose the dick side.
Speaking of Andys, CXRAndy has turned into a deleted member. More ghosts every time I stop back.
bobzmyunkle's succinctness leapt out at me:
--- Quote ---Jesus wept.
In the old days it was simple. Sex is binary, gender is a social construct. Fill your boots however you feel gender wise. Now, after 15,000,000 pages of obfuscatory drivel from @monkers and her imaginary friends, @Ian H realises that gender isn't a binary relationship with sex.
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moNkers's sockpuppetry induced the usual credulity:
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--- Quote from: Bromptonaut ---FFS why would @monkers do that. Why can't we just take people at face value?
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This. 100% this. Why would anyone bother with an alter on this little slice of the internet?
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To borrow a phrase beloved of Mumsnet: Oh my sweet summer child. Trans Rights Privileges Activists operate on a whole different level of trolldom. moNkers is on a mission to eradicate fact, wherever it exists, with bad fiction.
As we go to press, N's latest disgorgement "Received by email this morning" for added verisimilitude is being ignored.
--- Quote from: moNkers to AuroraSaab ---Listen dickhead
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I suppose the litany of insults spewed at Aurora is nearly invisible to the regulars at this point. To anyone still noticing, it looks desperately unhinged.
How do you create a fauxgina?
--- Quote from: moNkers ---[video of 'gender surgeon']
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Inverted penis has its glans fans.
--- Quote from: moNkers to AuroraSaab ---Maybe you didn't hear him say that the vagina of a trans woman [sic] is sensate end to end, and that our's are not.
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Man wins best womaning contest, this time using the only metric that matters:
Might want to take that claim with a generous helping of salt; in any event, note that "sensate" ain't always a good thing.
"Sensate end to end" caused my wife, who outrageously has accused me of finding NACA cozy as an old chair, particular amusement.
--- Quote from: moNkers ---who are you, other than a woman with a fetishistic obsession with other people's genitals?
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Says the person who just posted a video about genitals.
--- Quote ---Aurora thinks she's winning just because she has ground everybody down.
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Says the one who grinds. It must be incredibly frustrating it's not working here.
--- Quote ---You make every conversation so very farking tedious and manipulative.
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It's as if moNkers is talking to moNkerself. Wait a minute...
SpoilerFaithful readers will be aware of my fond wish that AuroraSaab is actually moNkers, a master sockpuppeteer running rings around all of us. Today I unveil my darkest fear that all of them are actually me, which would explain the trance-like state my wife continually has to shake me out of.[close]Stop press!
--- Quote from: moNkers ---N here
Sorry I've filled the forum pages too much this evening; and so to bed.
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That ought to silence the naysayers! A reminder that some people on little slices of the internet write entire books. They may be self-published, but they're still books.[close]
Namecheck
--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---Hi Sam! Hope the holiday is going ok. I'm not in touch with Sam but I could help him out with his forum game of Guess Who if I wasn't opposed to doxing.
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I'll pass your greetings along. We don't think our identikit skills qualify as doxing, but promise if you get in touch we won't use information in a way which makes you uncomfortable.
You're never going to get in touch, are you.
--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---I just won't be joining in with the pretending.
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Words to live by.
--- Quote from: JanefromLondon1 @ Mumsnet ---you can't reason with crazy
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Also words to live by.
--- Quote from: moNkers ---Oh fark off. I'm generally very kind to everyone and known for it.
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Readit & Weep:
Reginald Weep here, posting in an unofficial capacity. In my spare time when I'm not clubbing foxes (I jest, unlike Jolyon Maugham, whom I once saw bite the head off a chicken on a retreat), I enjoy visiting forums. Have been following the exploits of the shrinking population of 'NACA' for some time now. This exchange yesterday is remarkable. Abridged.
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-1057#post-103379
--- Quote from: moNkers ---What can be alleged in respect of your actions is, in simplest terms, cyberbullying, and falls under the legal definition of harassment. From your own words, it is clear that you consider the harassment of trans women to be acceptable on the basis that you feel that you are entitled to do so as a cisgender woman. You couldn't be more wrong. This is clearly criminal intent and criminal behaviour.
Cyber bullies are easily spotted, when a victim complains about their behaviour, typically they reply with a meme, say a woman spraying her keyboard with tea because she is laughing so hard, or just replying 'Lol', indicating that they are admitting enjoying causing distress. It is an admission of guilt.
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Co-conspirator
--- Quote from: moNkers ---Cyberbullying on social media is at contagion level. Cyber bullies tend to think that either the state does not have the means to identify (invariably it does), however a consideration is interstate bullying. In the UK it is much more difficult to seek remedy against a bully in say the USA because international law to tackle the problem is not established. However you are from what you seem to say resident in the UK bullying on what I think is a UK based website. There are obligations on the site owner to protect people from bullying on the site. I believe the site owner is aware since they ask posters to hide behind avatars.
Will the police take action against you? I will say it is unlikely. First there needs to be a complaint made to UK police, and secondly because of the lack of resources (including court time) means that their interest will only be piqued by a higher level of harm. However a person taking their own life or self-harming following on-line interactions with you and citing your avatar would lead to an investigation into your behaviour with possible consequences.
The ability to hide from the authorities does not make the behaviour less criminal.
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--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---The point of your huge post is to try to stop people commenting on this thread. I doubt it is only meant for my ears.
It's the next step on from when you used to post 'My lawyer cousin is watching this thread'. In my opinion it's threatening both the site owner and posters. It's an attempt to intimidate because all else has failed.
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--- Quote from: moNkers ---The stark reality is that you have realised that your own behaviour is indeed criminal.
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--- Quote from: AuroraSaab ---I'm not intimidated. Hope that helps. The more you post the dafter you look. In my opinion, of course.
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--- Quote from: moNkers ---you do not merely attempt behaviour which could be found to be criminal in law, you succeed.
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I must have missed the "lawyer cousin", and my aide is unable to locate it in a seach. There was this, however, from last December. If memory serves, it was N's first post. Pale Rider covered it at the time during the most enjoyable Gender Actually thread arc.
--- Quote from: moNkers to icowden ---Please can you kindly explain the reason for your contributions that could be argued as incitement to commit an offence? I feel quite certain that your ultimate employer, the NHS, would be concerned to see you acting in this manner.
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For the record, I am willing to take on AuroraSaab as a client, pro bono, should she require legal representation in this matter.
Another satisfied client
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