Duty Calls

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-933#post-96547

There is no problem.

Says the problem.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-934#post-96618

The problem is that for far too many people the current set up is over legalised and over medicalised. That is what so called self ID was intended to solve.

Assuming Labour get into power, Bromptonaut and his progressive mates will probably get their wish.

https://thecritic.co.uk/lefty-mens-failures-have-radicalised-women/

Yes, a few years ago, many of us supporting Badenoch now would not have been bothered about clarifying the meaning of sex. Yes, many of us are taking a much harder line on these issues than ever before.

Here’s the thing, though: it’s not because we’ve been “radicalised” by dark forces stuffing our passive ladybrains with far-right propaganda. It’s because before, we didn’t think we’d need to clarify anything. Before, we trusted trans-identified males not to abuse our goodwill. We trusted “progressive” men not to start pretending not to know basic biology. We trusted that women counted enough not to have our own interests so thoroughly discounted. It turns out we were wrong to be so trusting, and that is why so many of us no longer are.

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-934#post-96665

14,000 posts, and some of you people still aren't getting with the programme.

“It is important that all people recognize and respect the transgender person’s identification as a man or a woman.

All people must believe an idea in someone else’s head? All people must subscribe to someone else’s belief system? All people must play along. This is the foundation on which this policy is built—all people must recognize gender identity ideology. The authors assumed it was necessary to use eye-wateringly totalitarian language, all pointedly uni-directional, to make this brand of fairness and inclusion work.

Where were we?

I think all Dutch people are all paedophiles.

I have no evidence of this and it hasn't happened yet, but just to be safe I think we should lock them all up because it might.

We shouldn't wait until there are victims.

This goes back to Sonia Sodha's piece in The Observer, which may have started out describing a theoretical case, but was about much more than that, as anybody reading past the first two paragraphs would've seen.

The most striking thing about that article is that the so-called dangers are entirely theoretical.

All the stuff that's actually been happening hasn't been happening. It's gaslighting

moral panic

(he forgot to add orchestrated by the far right – The Observer being a well known tool of same).

I suppose I should have a peek outside the gender thread.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-57#post-96691

Certainly can't see any Conservative signs round here, I think they must be obscured by all the Pride and the Palestine flags.

That didn't last long.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-935#post-96717

I'm with you on sports.

Sport is always the first (and sometimes the only) thing these men grudgingly concede. How big of him.

There are so many more important things affecting women's sport. Parity of pay, resources, coverage, training etc etc etc.

But...ooohh! There's a male student riding women's events in some sixth form college somewhere in the US everyone!!!!!

- Has no idea of the current scale of the problem.
- Doesn't care.
- Enjoys telling a woman what's important.

https://www.shewon.org
https://x.com/cathydevine56/status/1798968026814947459

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-937#post-96800

You don't have a clue about what parkrun represents.

Its not rocket science, its to encourage all ages and abilities to get off their arses and try running at a local park.

So simple that you don't know anything about it.

If it happens, that it is something so incomprehensible to the average Jo on the street, perhaps you could give us all an in depth explanation of what park run is

parkrun is simple.

Is anyone else on tenterhooks awaiting AndyRM's expanded reply? Or was that it? Is it a zen koan?

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-939#post-96903

I cannot think of a single reason not to vote.

Because [all together now] IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THEM.

[sam]

I was putting so much work into Pale Rider's posts I felt I had to end it: hence 'No Exit'. (Going with the proposition hell is other people, some are certainly a lot more hellish than others.) It was a way to chide myself while carrying on. Unfortunately this has just turned into another strand of Triggering, slightly tucked away is all. I'd zap this thread in the spirit of KISS, but haven't been able to bring myself to pull the trigger. As long as I keep stopping by the NACA free speech zone, duty will keep calling.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/israel-palestine.556/page-216#post-96762

Don't be too hard on yourself, you've been woke brainwashed

Although I'm not a big fan of the W word, he's not wrong.

I don't agree with CXRAndy about Israel. Reasonable people can differ when it comes to geopolitical conflagrations. One's stance on this particular horror is not a dismissal of a fundamental reality. Good for him for plugging away on the gender thread in the face of overwhelming derision.

Who wants to bet cookiemonster has cute posters from the trans lobby on his classroom walls.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-939#post-96901

Not that our resident clown says anything of interest anyway.

Which clown is that? There are more than a few to choose from.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-940#post-97063

CXRAndy: [Video exploring gender stereotypes]
AndyRM: You don't know who that is, do you?
icowden: I don't either but I did look down her tweet timeline, and well... she's probably not a good source, lets put it that way.
AndyRM: The guy talking is Christian Shearhod (a teacher), who's dating a trans model Eden Estrada. The commentator apparently/probably doesn't know this either.
icowden: I'd say that's a 100% certainty as she appears to be an avid Trumpian. It is however unintentionally hilarious once you have that information.
AndyRM: Agreed. Like much of the half arsed, half understood and often half watched sh!te that comes out of terrified snowflakes usually is.

What the 'Trumpian' is saying is addressed in a completely arsed way, which is to say not at all, because why engage with the (perfectly sane, btw) points when you can simply attack: it's so much easier.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-941#post-97121

[Tweet with video]

It's badly edited, poorly shot, the timing is terrible and the sound mix is embarrassing.

[Strokes chin] Now that you mention it, that's bollocks.

I'd ban them from everywhere for those reasons alone.

A joke, I know, but he clearly isn't fussed about people getting banned for no good reason. It's an effective ad, competently produced, which he doesn't like because [checks notes] he's been woke brainwashed.

*aka Mini-Me since he started tagging along at Mein Tool's heels

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/climate-crisis-are-we-doing-enough.17/page-115#post-97148

A very British, middle class protest. Protest done, nobody hurt, no real damage - it wasn't even paint, druids can still enjoy the summer solstice, plenty of chance for the press and politicians to express their distaste. And absolutely no impact on stopping or reducing oil production or consumption. Everybody happy.

POTD

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-942#post-97169

FBI used to intimidate nurse who reported illegal sex mutilation surgery at Texas hospital.

No they didn't.

Yes they did. Gosh, where to next with this fascinating discussion.

Confirmation bias is just one of the many things CXR doesn't understand

It has been observed that confirmation bias only ever affects other people. This makes it one of the easier errors to spot, as one's own judgement is never impaired by it.

POTD from elsewhere:

It's also a known propaganda strategy: leapfrog over the issue of contention, act as if it's a settled question or was always beyond question. Make anyone who is still "stuck" on that question feel they're behind the times, out of the loop, not one of the gang. Laugh scornfully at the very notion that there is anything to discuss.

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-943#post-97244

One can wonder why it is important to hear the opinion of Rowling as just one person. As an aunt to a fabulous trans woman I'm in tune with David Tennant.

[photo of Tenant holding what may or may not be the current Pride flag when you read this, wearing a shirt that says YOU WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ME in trans identifying letters]

Go through him to do what, exactly? Most people are running the other way. You know, being phobic and all.

I think the Rowling thing is that whether she wanted to or not she's ended up as a sort of figurehead of the anti-trans/women's lobby.

Translation: trans is anti-women.

I don't think Rowling is being told to shut up

Death threats not being the ultimate Shut up.

Next you'll be telling me that Hitler was right about the Jews because Kristallnacht and the Holocaust happened.

It's been 0 days since Hitler came up.

hate cult

So I guess the plan is to keep repeating these words until the end of time, or the end of the thread, whichever comes first. I've joked about moNkers as Jack from The Shining; perhaps Mein Tool is the better fit for that typewriter.

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-946#post-97322

It was AS that referenced Nazis.

moNkers is of course inverting reality; it's Mein Tool who Nazifies at the drop of a hat.

Dare mention this and voilà, it's you going Godwin.

haters gonna hate

Trolls gonna troll.

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-949#post-97425

You actually have no idea what the women in Brighton spoke about, and it wouldn't matter anyway.

I think that was to classic33, but it may as well have been any of the men's rights chorus.

When a group of men are making so much noise to try and drown out the words being said.

Yes they're scared of females.

Here there be noisemakers.

[sam]

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/general-election-2024.596/page-75#post-97594

We had a go at my MIL because she wasn't going to vote. We told her about Emmeline Pankhurst and now she's going to vote. We told her to stop reading the DM and not to vote Tory, but also that she is free to make up her own mind!

NACA in a nutshell.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/page-953#post-97566

[photo of a sea lion]

It should go without saying that AS isn't actually sealioning; but he's familiar with the term, and eager to use it.

Oooohhhh, is this your foray into learning about algorithms?

Both AndyRM and Mein Troll fly high above the algorithmic haze.

You are a sideshow of freaks.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1804864541064368243

Each of us must be told that we represent only ourselves or a lunatic fringe.

Having recently rewatched 28 Weeks Later, I'm thinking Tool has a touch of the rage virus.

[illustration of @effinbird used in service of calling CXRAndy an asshole]

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