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sam

Dealbreakers
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2023 »
Imperviousness to irony.

My full on TWAW "I hate JK Rowling but don't know what she said" PhD on the wall sister-in-law recently made this her Twitter banner:



Whoosh like a MF.

Dealbreakers
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2023 »
The wilder shores of satire is a whoosh for some people, too.


Don't laugh

That hair looks familiar...


Oh be nice.

Dealbreakers
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2023 »
Empathy. (Yeah, both sides are going to claim this one.)

Here's someone who gets it. Originally on TikTok. Will wonders never cease.


[Don't bother clicking, the video has disappeared. It is the way of things.]

Let's revisit humour while we're at it:

I can no longer tell if this is satire!
Quote from: NecessaryScene
When I was young, "right-wing" satire and comedy used not to be very funny, because if you're trying to target people who are more open-minded and less hypocritical, it's hard to get a grip. And such comedy would have to stay within the permitted constraints for their group.

But now there's been a complete reversal, because it's the so-called "left" who are more incredibly closed-minded and hypocritical, so there IS a lot in what they're up to to mock. And then "left-wing" comedy is trying to stay within incredibly tight ideological constraints.

What I've realised is that this isn't a left-versus-right thing, it's an authoritarian versus anti-authoritarian thing. The anti-authoritarian side can be funny - the authoritarian one can't. And clearly the Onion is trying to align itself with the authoritarian side.

At least some things have remained true to themselves over the same period - I think of South Park in particular. But that never made the mistake of being on a "left" or "right" side - it was always just skewered everyone. The Onion tried to skewer everyone but was always obviously lefty - Babylon Bee was the unfunny right-wing version. But it's now a lot funnier. And the Onion is trapped trying to defend nonsense.

Boys will be girls and girls will be boys:


Dealbreakers
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2023 »
Typos.

Inside the Grauniad’s civil war over trans coverage
Quote from: Max Tani
Following the 2020 letter, Moore loudly resigned from her position at the paper. In a typo-ridden email in March 2020, Moore lashed out at some Guardian colleagues who signed the letter.

Not really.

I'm not going to call grammar Nazi, but thanks to what has turned into the usual bias, I won't be bookmarking Semafor.

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Dealbreakers
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2023 »
A heartbeat.



Good luck with that.

Dealbreakers
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2023 »
Nazis.

Quote from: Onward to Dystopia
So lemme see, we were told for years: Ukraine full of nazi, and that Bad™, but suddenly Ukraine Good™, because Russia Bad™. Then we are told, “You no like nazi, huh? hahaha, well Russia nazi too because Wagner are nazi, hahaha I am very intelligent.” But then Wagner Good™, because they mutiny against Bad Russia™, but maybe Wagner Bad™ after all because no overturn Bad Putin Hitler Man 2.0™.

Very confusing, I think maybe the West just likes nazis.

Quote from: PorcelinaV
Quote from: h1d1ng1npla1ns1ght
It couldn’t possibly be the case that left-wing and right-wing women uniting over an issue means the issue has merit for women. It must be that we’re all hateful bigots who love Hitler. A friend of mine called JK Rowling a “literal nazi”. What!? A literal nazi. Literal. She writes things on twitter he doesn’t like so obviously she’s comparable to the worst war criminals who have ever existed.

Misusing the word "literal" may be even worse than misusing the word "Nazi".



Quote from: nauticant
It's a gaming of the disgust response in humans. The goal is to make undecided people so averse to looking at what we're saying that they swerve away from us without any engagement. We get labelled as those things that people feel most aversion to, so the undecideds stay away.

The beauty of this approach is that the greater the aversion response you create, the less people feel they ought to think for themselves, and in fact the more people feel that they should actively not do so.

https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/prof-be-wary-when-disgust-tactics-used-in-campaigning.html



Dealbreaker?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2023 »
A new aquaintance of mine, an audiophile whose loft is groaning with vinyl, is reluctant to discuss Bob Dylan. Am still processing this shocking news.


#NotQuiteRandom

Dealbreaker
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2023 »
Comedians having a clue.


sam

Wet streets cause rain
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2025 »
Quote from: Michael Crichton, "Why Speculate?" (2002)
Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case [Murray Gell-Manna Nobel Prize-winning physicist], physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I'd point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all. But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn't. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.

sam

Dealbreakers
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2025 »
Funny I should post that ↑, and a few days later liberal institution Craig Murray steps up to the plate.

https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1950288808966058312
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My own take on the nurse Sandie Peggie and Dr Upton furore is:
two bull-headed and self-centred people met in a changing room and each refused to work on the kind of tolerant compromise that enables most of us to muddle through daily life without invoking the power of the state.
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[The room] could be single sex, except for a very brief advertised daily window of time when it wasn't, for example.
Compromise is by nature messy and imperfect, but that is not nearly as imperfect as the ridiculous train of events that we see now.
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It would be kind, under controlled circumstances, to tolerate some men who believe themselves to be women.
This needs care, compromise, and tolerance.

Needless to say #BeKind did not go over well; guess which sex is forever tasked with it. As for his ridiculous compromise, easily dismantled in the replies, he has form for not thinking things through.

Almost a decade ago he wrote:
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Today I thought I might blog on a subject I understand nothing about. (Cries of “no change there then” echo around the internet). For the life of me, I have not been able to absorb what the controversies around transgender and non-binary actually are. I can think of no vaguely sensible reason why people ought not to be allowed to be what they wish to be. I am astonished there should be arguments about public bathrooms, and cannot understand why people cannot use whichever of these they wish to use too. There must be more to it than this, or people wouldn’t keep writing newspaper articles about it or asking POTUS. But the nature of the controversy is to me entirely mysterious.

A few years later came this, a roller coaster of reasonableness followed by head slapping dumbness:
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To start from first principles, I believe that people should be treated as they wish to be treated. If somebody wishes to be treated as female I will treat them as female. That seems to me good manners. It seems the height of bad manners to do otherwise.

His self-admitted "folksy take" makes me gag. When he writes "the entire debate so far elevates dogma on both sides above commonsense", he simply comes across as oblivious to what should be commonsense needs of women. Empathy is a one-way street with him.

Clearly he has no real interest in examining the issues (this might be a start), which is fine, but why then feel the need to write about it? Does the debate require yet another clueless man to weigh in?

It immediately makes me wonder what else he's opining about so thoughtlessly. I'm not going to bother finding out.


In other news, Sandie Peggie's sense of humour is now also in the dock:
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These were read out by Jane Russell in court today:

On August 31 that year, Ms Peggie shared the following offensive messages in a group chat:

⁠1. Rumour has it that the floods in Pakistan were started by a suicide plumber.

2. There’s a new curry been brought out in aid of the Pakistani flood disaster victims. It’s a chicken bury auntie, served with a nan dead and poppa gone.

3. The BNP have donated 6,000 crocodiles to the Pakistani flood appeal.

4. The Queen has sent a letter of condolence to the Pakistani president. She wanted to mention that Britain has plenty of spare p*kis if they want some back.

5. ⁠I bet little Mohammed isn’t having to walk 3 miles fetch water now! I think I’ll ask for my 1 a month donation back.

6. What do you call a Pakistani flood survivor…Mustaf a dinghy.

7. What goes around comes around. Pakistanis have been flooding Britain for years.

8. From space Pakistan looks like a giant bowl of coco pops.

9. There is a new diet sweeping Pakistan. It’s called swim fast.

⁠10. Charity single just released for the Pakistani flood disaster…Rain keeps falling on Ahmed.

The first made me laugh; the rest not so much, but I didn't get an attack of the vapours. Nor did my South Asian wife. Jokes about disasters (don't tell me you've never heard "Too soon?"), and foreigners, have been around forever. The only test they have to pass is if they're funny. Sorry if that's a dealbreaker for you.